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Whip The Admins... - Site slowness and migration



Tormie [ Wednesday, 26 January 2005, 04:16 PM ]
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Hi friends... <br /> <br /> Since a couple of days ago I noticed a very annoying site slowness. I din't know if it's due to my internet connection or if it's a server problems, but I red messages from you saying the same thing, so I contacted the server masters at Godaddy.com. They said that Posetteforever is data intensive ( <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> ) and they offerred me to put the database on a new faster server <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> .... <br /> <br /> I'll accept, but the problem is that the site will be down for a while during the transfer, I don't know how much time it will take. <br /> <br /> Now I'm doing a full backuo of the site before sending the response to them: All is very slow, I'm very hungry :X ! I can' connect to the database... All is a crap :X !!! <br /> <br /> I'm very, very disappointed <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" /> :crybaby:.... <br /> <br /> I don't know why but it seems that on every server we go there are problems, problems, problems...
tda42 [ Wednesday, 26 January 2005, 04:54 PM ]
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Kenny picks up his suitcase and starts out the door. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shhh.gif" alt="" /> <br /> I've got the key to the door and I know how to get back in the club house. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <br /> See you all when we are up again. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_dance.gif" alt="" /> <br /> Davide don't be depressed, things like this happen. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Landman [ Wednesday, 26 January 2005, 05:04 PM ]
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We need to get you a static IP block and a nice server with redundant power supplies, hard drives, processors, and a battery back up..... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" />
Tormie [ Wednesday, 26 January 2005, 05:22 PM ]
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<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" />
Tormie [ Wednesday, 26 January 2005, 05:26 PM ]
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I was working on the site, every time I look for a page change with a refresh it took one minute or longer to open it... I can't work in this way... <br /> <br /> I'm trying to backup the database and the page refuses to open... sigh...
guiltypleasures [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 05:40 AM ]
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Landman says: We need to get you a static IP block and a nice server with redundant power supplies, hard drives, processors, and a battery back up..... <br /> <br /> and a bottle of booze! <br /> <br /> Cheer up Davide we've all been there and it's not fun, but it will get better and if it doesn't we will all come over and get you drunk, mess up your house, leave rubber shicken poop on your sofa, raid your fridge, clog up your toilet with rotton tuna tarts and beer, let the beavers loose in your neighborhood, and hide all your dirty socks, then my friend you will see that this webpage slowness is nothing to be sad about <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Tormie [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 09:28 AM ]
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<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> !!! Thank you Gp ! Thinks are better now (But I want thos tuna tarts anyway !!! )
tda42 [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 03:46 PM ]
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Yah, you know how that rubber shicken poop is. Once it happens it's hard to get it to stop bounceing. <br /> But I'll take the booze for clean up reasons just in case. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_angel.gif" alt="" />
Tormie [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 03:51 PM ]
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Keep ready your little suitcase kenny <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> ... No one noticed that I took the server's cash... But I don't know if it will remain a secret for a long time <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> ...
Landman [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 04:41 PM ]
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I saw you take the server's cache..... <br /> all 512 mb's of it.... <br /> <br /> turn off your web cam.... <br /> <br /> oh and torm.... you really need to do something about all that hair on your back.... <br /> talk to GP, she can remedy that for you.... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_eh.gif" alt="" />
guiltypleasures [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 04:46 PM ]
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Yes Tormie I can help with the back hair, I removed all of Land's body hair with my secret hair remover cream <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" />
Landman [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 06:25 PM ]
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Yea, it smells like Tuna!!! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
guiltypleasures [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 07:43 PM ]
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Dang and I thought the acid would cover up that smell <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
Tormie [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 11:10 PM ]
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<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> Please don't use those women-related glue-strips for my (beloved) back-hair <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> ...
guiltypleasures [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 11:17 PM ]
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This isn't no sissy girly crap, this is my secret industiral strenght backhair removal cream, works wonders on pesky nose and ear hair too, but let's not forget those spots we shall not talk about in here too <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" />
tda42 [ Thursday, 27 January 2005, 11:52 PM ]
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The dreaded neon skunk butt hairs. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_dance.gif" alt="" /> <br /> *sigh* I miss them! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />
Anonymous [ Friday, 28 January 2005, 03:42 AM ]
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What secret? I thought every knew that the active ingredient is full strength sulfuric acid titrated with nitric acid. <br /> <br /> That will take the hair (skin, meat, and bone) off of anything real fast. <br /> <br /> Pangor
Tormie [ Friday, 28 January 2005, 09:14 AM ]
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<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> >sigh!< My back made public... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/bigblush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/bigblush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/bigblush.gif" alt="" />
Anonymous [ Friday, 28 January 2005, 07:50 PM ]
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Until the last two of messages that I posted, I have not noticed the slowness problem. Now, I have also noticed it. Tormentor, I don't belive the "data intensive" excuse that you hosting service gave you. That is a common excuse that is used to explain away poor server/database management. <br /> <br /> After I first noticed the slowness I watched the performance for a pattern to the problem. The pattern that I have detected in the slowness is most often is because of one or more of these three reasons: <br /> <br /> 1. The database is using a hashing algorithm that had been initialized to provide a certain number of buckets. As long as the key hashing algoritm is well matched to the keys and the number of available buckets is <br /> much greater than then number records in the database, all is well and both record lookups and creation will be performed in [i:48a20afbfc]O(1)[/i:48a20afbfc] time. If either of these two conditions fail to remain true the number of hashing collisions will rise. A collision is where the key hashing results in two or more records using the same bucket, then a collision resolution algorithm is used. The collision resolution algorithms that are most often used are the "List Bucket" and the "Next Bucket" algorithm. <br /> <br /> The "Next Bucket" algorithm is easy to program if the key hashes to bucket [i:48a20afbfc]B(n)[/i:48a20afbfc] and the bucket is already in use by a different record, then use [i:48a20afbfc]B(n+1)[/i:48a20afbfc]. This works best only if the bucket array is sparse. Once the bucket array is no longer sparse, then [i:48a20afbfc]B(n+1)[/i:48a20afbfc] may be in use so try [i:48a20afbfc]B(n+2)[/i:48a20afbfc], then [i:48a20afbfc]B(n+3)[/i:48a20afbfc] etc. With this method once the bucket array is near capacity, record lookup and record creation time will become bounded by [i:48a20afbfc]O(1)[/i:48a20afbfc] and [i:48a20afbfc]O(z)[/i:48a20afbfc] ([i:48a20afbfc]z[/i:48a20afbfc] is the number of buckets available). Or in other words, in such a case, the processes will degenerate to near the performance of a seqential search on an unorderd list. If another record key hahes to bucket [i:48a20afbfc]B(n+1)[/i:48a20afbfc], then there will be another collision to be resolved. <br /> <br /> With the the "List Bucket" algorithm instead of buckets being record pointers, they are lists of record pointers. This is a slightly more complex algorithm, that has a more elegant collision resolution algorithm. In this case when a key hashes to bucket [i:48a20afbfc]B(n)[/i:48a20afbfc] it then retrieves the record pointer from [i:48a20afbfc]B(n)(m)[/i:48a20afbfc]. If there is a collision on [i:48a20afbfc]B(n)(m)[/i:48a20afbfc] then [i:48a20afbfc]B(n)(m+1)[/i:48a20afbfc] and repeat until the correct slot is found in the bucket. There are quite a few ways to implement this algorithm each with benefits and problems of their own. But in almost every instance in worst case situations, it can degenerate that same as the "Next Bucket". <br /> <br /> 2. The server a key part of the database is stored in RAM to boost performance. The RAM requirements of the database has outgrown the amount allocated for its use, resulting in thrashing. <br /> <br /> 3. Other software (not Posetteforever) is putting a greater demand on the server than had been anticipated, the server is thrashing virtual memory. Posetteforever recieved the blame, only because you noticed the problem and mentioned it to them. The other customers using that hardware are also being told that they are the reason for the problem. <br /> <br /> Which ever is the case, the migration will be their chance to correct [i:48a20afbfc]their[/i:48a20afbfc] errors. By the way, if they do it correctly, nobody, not even you should even know that there ever was a server migration. Unless you examine the DNS records. If the DNS records were correctly written, then the migrations would not be evident that way either. <br /> <br /> Pangor
Tormie [ Saturday, 29 January 2005, 09:30 PM ]
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Thank you very much for the technical info pangor. I thought at something similar: you have to know that we were on a different hosting company some times ago and they suspended the account to to high server resources requests from the site. I thought that it was due to Posy's brain and then we wnt here on a Godaddy.com server. Actually Posy is quiet (she is using my virtual credit card... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> )and she is not the problem. In any case the sitewas down for about a hour this morning (gmt time), I contacted the support service and they replied that they put the database on a different and faster machine. The problems with the hosting companies are the same every time: I've not the control of the machine where the site is installed. To solve this problem I should do what Landman suggested: Buy a fixed ip with a large broadband and a big computer. It shouldn't be done because I'm not rich and because the site is not a commercial crap and earns nothing. I'm very sorry when it is down, but I prefer a site down sometimes than a ton of spam...
Anonymous [ Sunday, 30 January 2005, 12:39 AM ]
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I agree. <br /> <br /> Talking about the email. Before the email shutdown is over, if you have access to the outgoing email queue (if one exists) for Posetteforever, check to make sure that it is not hold a large backlog of unneeded email. Otherwise as soon as the email ban is lifted, that backlog will start to be sent and may go over quota again, right away. <br /> <br /> Pangor
Tormie [ Sunday, 30 January 2005, 01:30 AM ]
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I have only very little access to the server side, basically I saw that the quota limit is 1000 using phpinfo built in the forum. I hope that the 1000 emails quota is daily... I asked for it to the support service...
Anonymous [ Sunday, 30 January 2005, 09:32 AM ]
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Hi, <br /> <br /> Sorry about posting so many copies of this message. First I tried posting it here and it seemed to have failed. Then, I tried a private message and it also seemed to have failed. So, that is when I sent it in the shoutbox. Now I find out that each failed attempt of sending the message were [i:93d0dcfd0a]not[/i:93d0dcfd0a] failures after all, making me look like a nag. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_wall.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> Pangor
Tormie [ Sunday, 30 January 2005, 10:14 AM ]
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<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ! No problem pangor: The site were not sending mails so it showed the error, but the message was put in the forum anyway. Now all is goinf fine till next webmaster mess <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" />


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