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Having (FINALLY!!!) got back into a creative mood that looks to stick around more than a week or so, I've just realized exactly how much I've forgotten when it comes to Poser. So I've decided to start off with the older Poser figures (Sorry, Posy) and work my way up... <br /> <br /> Which brings me to the question at hand. Exactly how similar are the P3 Female and Posette when it comes to transferring morphs? <br /> <br /> I ask, because buried way, way, WAAAYYY back in the download archives I've accumulated is Hellborn's Bettie Page for P3F, and I like the character's head morph, basic as it may be. Can it be transferred to a Posette head? Or do I have to suffer the P3F texture mapping?

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/JC_howdy.gif" alt="" /> Hi GrouchoCaesar <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" /> <br /> Good to hear you're back in playing mode. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" /> <br /> In my early Poser years I've been using P3 for a long time, even as P5 was out already. Almost no stuff was around anymore for P3, so I had to stick to P4 freebies, that were quite common still. I came to experiment a lot on compatibility issues. So here's my list. <br /> <br /> Headmorph yes <br /> Neck yes (?) <br /> Chest and collars no <br /> Abdomen ?, but I think yes <br /> Hip and Thighs no <br /> Shins and lower parts of the arms, as well as hands, feet, fingers, toes should work too. <br /> <br /> Mr X's Morphmanager is a great tool for this still. If you don't have it or lost it, should be for download at RR's , and Englishbob provides a mirror, too at Morphography, or simply contact me <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> I hope this helps (and we see some results soon <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> ) <br /> <br /> PS: Here's my version of Betty. I used her wig and mixed the original face morph with one of my own creations. It's a P4 Posette (that I stumbled over by accident) in P3 ! <br /> <br /> <a href="album_showpage.php?pic_id=2628" title="Click on image to enlarge it"><img src="album_thumbnail.php?pic_id=2628" alt="" title="" /></a>

That's good news - I've got the Morph Manager software in my archives, so there should be no issues. <br /> <br /> My goal is to study some of the iconic Bettie Page photo-shoots and see if I can replicate a couple of the sets, and then get as close to the correct camera angles and lighting as can be reasonably expected. <br /> <br /> Once that is accomplished, I'll try and duplicate some of the costumes that Bettie made for her shoots. <br /> <br /> Once *that* is done I want to build a Bettie Page character - emphasis on skin textures and body shape. <br /> <br /> I know I have the V3 morphs & hair from Morpheus, but my goal is to use Posette for most of the experiment. <br /> <br /> I figure that will give me much needed experience in designing a scene and a character from scratch....

Glad to see you're back in the Poser saddle GC. <br /> <br /> On the P3 side I can add a plug to my own work also, and right here in PF, from the Free Stuff, section I give you - The pretzel twins: <br /> <a class="post-url" href="http://www.posetteforever.com/dload.php?action=file&file_id=718">http://www.posetteforever.com/dload.php?action=file&file_id=718</a> <br /> <br /> You'll find a joint parameter adjustment for both P3 & P4 Nude Woman, in .cr2 form. <br /> <br /> They both bend better than normal, and are stock morph compatible (use you Morph Manager 4, to transfer), so there is no hybrid incompatibility nonsense to worry about. You just treat them as a regular stock Posette, figure. <br /> <br /> Also thanks to Posette's separate shoulder, and collar bone layout, there is nothing like the horrid look you get with an unmodified V4, around the armpits. On a regular Posette, it looks bad, but fixed, it works like a dream.

I've started working on a basic shooting set - using footage from some of the Irving Klaw reels Bettie Page did as reference. <br /> <br /> (Watching an hour's worth of Bettie on DVD it becomes clear that her appeal comes from her enthusiasm for posing... Difficult to replicate in animation, but possible in still images. I hope.) <br /> <br /> Judging from the shadows, illumination consisted of a couple of main lights in front of her at 45 degrees each side. No key lights, no fill lights, no back lights, no nothing. Maybe augmented by normal room lights. <br /> <br /> The set - and the term 'set' is being charitable in the extreme - is a wall with two windows either side of a fifties-style two-sweater plush couch, some curtains to cover the windows, a table lamp on a small side table... And that's it. Same set was in all the Klaw footage I watched - though at some point they did bother to re-surface the wall at one stage. <br /> <br /> So for this first experiment I think I'll stay with Poser through to the final render, instead of working in Max as I normally would. (3D Studio Max is so much easier to work with when setting up complex lighting...)

Sounds like you really did your home work. <br /> <br /> Got to agree Betty's enthusiasm really showed through, she had a lovely smile.

Well color me embarrassed ("That'll be #54, 'Burnt Crimson', Bob...") as I didn't need to spend all that time on the DVD after all. Turns out that when I went on my pinup art reference buying spree a couple of years back, I bought a couple of book on Bettie Page... Then promptly forgot about them. <br /> <br /> Found them while digging up some of the Poser reference books I also forgot about until this morning. <br /> <br /> And then to compound things even further, I found some old runtime archives of an earlier Bettie Page character I was attempting to dial in using P7s stock bimbo. <br /> <br /> If I find Amelia Airheart, I'll alert the media.....

He clearly left no stone un-turned in his quest for Betty. <br /> <br /> I'm sure she'd be proud of you GC.

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <br /> ... but I'm sure Posette will do much better for this job than Sydney <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" />

Ahjah, dear friend... as we can see in this thread he's come to his senses.

Anyhoo... Using Morpheus's Bettie Page Set props (very handy all things considered) I whipped up a quick render to check out my lighting theory - using blue & red lights all the better to track where each shadow was coming from... <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.posetteforever.com/files/posted_images/3381/bettie_scene_test_1a_1.jpg" target="_blank" title="Click to open image in new window"><img src="http://www.posetteforever.com/files/posted_images/3381/bettie_scene_test_1a_1.jpg" alt="Image" width="400" title="Image" /></a> <br /> <br /> Shadows do indeed match up with the videos I watched. However... <br /> <br /> Since I want to render stills, I'm going to have to rethink a little. Shadows that you ignore while watching movement become glaringly obvious in a still picture. <br /> <br /> Time to ponder...

Very nice work so far GC. <br /> <br /> Thanks for sharing this, can't wait to see the final render.

Well, if history is anything to go by here at PF, it may take a while... <br /> <br /> Anyway... Been perusing my Bettie picture collection and am about ready to start putting together my own version of the set... <br /> <br /> Walls, flooring and curtains are the first order of the day.

Sounds like a great idea making your own set. <br /> <br /> I wish I was more constructive in my work...

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" /> Interesting project. I'll keep watching this <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/cool.gif" alt="" />

I'm curious to see how easy it is to build (relatively) simple things in Max and bring them into Poser without having to fiddle about too much. <br /> <br /> I've done it before (I spy my "Lab Of Tomorrow" high on a shelf waiting to be dusted off sometime soon...) but only with non-realistic items. The set I want to build is by no means complex, but it is based on an actual location, so it's not going to be a case of "fudge the details a little - no-one knows what it looks like anyway...".

Rats... can't find my home architecture software. That puts a kink in my plan... for now. So I think I'll build & dress the set with freebies from the net and replace each item as I build my own. <br /> <br /> Of course that means I'll end up with something like this: <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.posetteforever.com/files/posted_images/3381/new_bettie_scene_1e.jpg" target="_blank" title="Click to open image in new window"><img src="http://www.posetteforever.com/files/posted_images/3381/new_bettie_scene_1e.jpg" alt="Image" width="400" title="Image" /></a> <br /> <br /> And yes, that's more or less the correct color scheme for the walls & curtains... (shudders): <br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.posetteforever.com/files/posted_images/3381/cb_clr_bettie_page_0017.jpg" target="_blank" title="Click to open image in new window"><img src="http://www.posetteforever.com/files/posted_images/3381/cb_clr_bettie_page_0017.jpg" alt="Image" width="308" title="Image" /></a> <br /> <br /> Still, I'll keep working at it...

Quick update: Still pottering away at the temporary set... <br /> <br /> (I'm working at my family's orange grove for the next few weeks picking fruit, a job that is wholly weather-dependent, so there are some days I don't get to touch my PC... dammit. Later on I'll be staying at the grove for days at a time (Family grove is a little outside the city) so I'm going to install Windows on my Mac (shudder) so I can continue playing with Poser when not at home.) <br /> <br /> And then there is the matter of my archives. I've been downloading Poser stuff off the net since the late '90s & squirreling it away for later use. It's now later. And I didn't realize <i>exactly </i>how much stuff I had. <br /> <br /> And then there is the whole massive chunk of props & stuff I forgot I bought... until I found them sitting in a long-ignored folder when I finally fired up Willow (my workstation PC) to update her before I get into serious design & render mode. I had to check my account with DAZ to figure out exactly what I had purchased. Most of the stuff turns out to be freebies. The bulk of the rest was me playing catch-up with Victoria 2 stuff when they had a big sale... I still like working with Posey's big sister. <br /> <br /> Hoo-boy... <br /> <br /> Suffice it to say, I'm going to have to do some major sorting of stuff into categories. I've been making inroads into the piles of data over the last couple of days. <br /> <br /> And finally, I've been slowly sorting out a MASSIVE pile of Bettie Page images - removing duplicates, and sorting out the many, many different photo-shoots and costumes. It beats working for a living... Oh, wait... damn it.

It sounds like you're making great progress GC. <br /> <br /> It's good to see what you've done so far too, it's very good. <br /> <br /> Though as always we are our own biggest critic, so don't be too hard on yourself.

A quick update, one month in... <br /> <br /> My little detour into my downloaded content archives turned out to take a lot longer than I expected due to the sheer amount of stuff in there. 20,000+ Poser-specific items taking up 95Gb. And that's while uninstalled. <br /> <br /> Add to that another 5Gb+ of Max files, .obj files and other general mayhem... Gosh. <br /> <br /> Most is now sorted into categories, indexed and recorded.... <br /> <br /> ...work continues. Am I having fun yet?

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> Sounds like you made a backup of the WWW <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" />

Max itself has its on rigging and unless you use Fusion it will go in there kind of weird. Now if you make a model and send it to Poser you will have to make the targets and maps for it and assign the parts. 3DS Max is a Pro side and should always be looked at it that way. You have to use a Bypid system or re rig in Max. The same goes with Poser. Don't know if that helps or not but I went to school with Autodesk 3DS Max.

I have Poser Pro & Pro 2010, so I'll be going with Fusion. Not that it really matters all that much in that I'm not one for animation so rigging is not an issue. I'll be keeping to Poser as much as possible for these experiments in any case.

Another quick update... <br /> <br /> Surprisingly still eager to play with Poser. But... spent the last two & a bit months dealing with Real Life in general, and selling my house in particular. <br /> <br /> Happy to say, house is now sold and I can get back into the play-pen... <br /> <br /> Stay tuned...

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" /> Good to hear <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/TFR718 (6).gif" alt="" />

Staying tuned...

So am I. Love your work Groucho! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" />