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Hi pur0ng <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> !! Welcome to Posetteforever !! thank you for the link, if the files are small we have enough space on the server at the moment (don't know in the future). Anyway you can upload them using our free stuff page (link in the pencil row), just fill the form and upload the file <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> . <br /> <br /> Once done that it's useful to announce the upload somewhere in the forum <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> ... <br /> <br /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

P.S. I just joined the group <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ...

Thanks, you´re welcome <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Well I tried to upload the smallest MAT file I have and it was too big, of course I didn't try zipping it first. What is the max limit for uploads?

400 kb ! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

I guess if I zipped them some would fit but most are over 1MB to start with. I posted some new stuff at [color=darkred:f7b015a324][link removed for copyright problems...][/color:f7b015a324] and I started a new site [color=darkred:f7b015a324][link removed for copyright problems...][/color:f7b015a324] which allows higher bandwidth since I seemed to run out last night on Yahoo. There are MAT files and backgrounds at the new site. That server won't let me upload Photoshop or archived files so for the tattoos that I have done, for now, are only available at Yahoo. I am in looking into more free webspace providers and will hopefully find one that will accept the other file types. Cheers <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thanks and welcome <br /> <br /> Pangor

pur0nrg, I have edited your messages to disable the links to your websites. <br /> <br /> Since posting my previous reply to you, I have visited your site and made a discovery about your free downloads. <br /> <br /> The textures that you are providing at those locations are in violation of Posetteforever's policies reguarding copyrights and non-commercialism. You are infringing on Curious Lab's copyrights. You are also in violation of the policies of your hosting agreements. <br /> <br /> You are permited by the Poser EULA, to derive new textures from those provided with Poser, you can use thuse derived textures to render you own artwork, that you may distribute; however, you may not distribute the actual derived textures. In order to distribute those textures you would need to establish a redistribution license with the owners of any and all elements that you used in your derived textures. <br /> Remember that you will have to be careful about of the copyright status of the brushes, tubes, patterens, etc, that you use. Too often thay are created and offered for download by persons who are using images created by others without the knowlege or permission of their owners, meaning that those items are not legal for use by you. <br /> <br /> The artistic community is very sensitive about such violations. <br /> <br /> There is a legal way for you to distribute your original works and still have them usable with the original texture maps. Here, I am assuming that you have clear ownership of the modification that you made to the original texture maps and that you created them in a multilayer capable painting program. Also assuming that your modifications are still available in an unflattened version of the file with the base texture (not owned by you) on the bottom layer. <br /> <br /> Load the multilayer file and then delete the bottom layer or any other layer containing anything that does not belong to you. Merge together the remaining layers presurve the alpha channel. Save that file as a PNG with transparency. Distribute the PNG file. Someone who has downloaded the PNG file can load the original base texture map that they have a legal right to use and your PNG files as layers in their painting program flatten them and can them use the combined texture map. -- without any copyright violations. <br /> <br /> Pangor

I think that pangor is right pur0ng, I watched your freebies and they are made superimposing the dress texture over the original posette's one. This is ok, but the original Posette texture is copyright of Curious Labs and they <b>could</b> be offended by using one of their textures, so, just to avoid copyright problems, we edited your message to remove the links. <br /> <br /> As pangor told you, avoiding this problem is very easy! Just paint the dress on a different layer and share only this layer with the instruction to paste it on the original texture. In this way the dress will be even more versatile because one can use it on a different skin texture too... <br /> <br /> We're here for more detailed instructions on how to do it step by step, just ask <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> !!

I created them all in Photoshop and yes I still have the original files I made on their own layers. I didn't realize I was using the original Poser texture, I have downloaded many free textures for Posette that I thought I was using one of them. Since Poser includes the Posette texture with their program and because I am not selling it, I didn't even think of copyright issues involvong it. Thanks for letting me know though. I have created my own original skin textures and would have no problem using them, I was simply ignorant on the copyright details. I will fix those files ASAP. I certainly don't want to get in trouble, I am just trying to help out.

As Tormentor said, If you need any information, ask, we are here. <br /> <br /> Also, when preparing your items for distribution, package them in a compressed archive file like a ZIP. Include a Readme that states your license terms that clearly states your copyright status of the files and what license you are granting for those using them. Commercial or non-commercial, can others create and distribute derivitives, etc. Include contact information, and any special requests. An individual image files is not a good thing to distribute. It can easily be damaged in transport and the terms of its permitted usage is at best doubtful. Once downloaded stored on a disk for awhile, the users will likely not rememebr where they got it from or who created it. I for one (and many others too), would not use it under those situations. If I can not give appropriate credit to the artist and copyright holder of an element or I don't feel comfortable with its status, I won't use it in my work no matter what it looks like. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Don't worry pur0ng <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> ! There is a simple rule in sharing freebies (or not): if you made it from scratch it's ok, if you use someone else work be careful. I don't know very well the copyrights on the poser/curious labs original things, I'll learn more soon, just because following strictly these rules all the morphs shared for free and present here should be in violation of a copyright because using the morph as an object one could recreate the original character <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> ... <br /> <br /> We need more opinions on this thing...

Ah, for the good old days when Poser stuff was freely distributed and no one really cared... <br /> <br /> These days, of course, it's all different, and you dont care distribute anything, even for free, without having your IP Ps and Qs in order. As already noted, NO, you can't distribute derivative textures based on CL's original work. They havent made a big deal out of it to date, but with the new ownership, I wouldnt want to test the waters there. <br /> <br /> Further, Tormentor asked me about the status of the morphs you have in freestuff. Unless you can extract the model itself from the morph obj, there's no problem, even though the obj itself is made from the original mesh. But morphs are such that, without the original mesh, the file is useless, so it'd be kinda tough to claim copyright ownership, although these days it wouldnt surprise me that someone might. Still, given the you have to have Poser to do anything with the morph file, and considering those morphs you have are supporting P4 materials, my guess is that CL would probably look the other way.

Thank you very much for your reply Sean <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> ! I asked Sean Martin for a third opinion, so now pangor, me and him are concordant: <br /> <br /> - Share texture maps containing the original ones is <b>prohibited</b> <br /> - Share a separate layer to apply over the original texture map is <b>ok</b> <br /> - Share morphs of Posette/Dork is <b>ok</b> <br /> <br /> pur0ng has removed his textures from his homepage too and is reworking them, if you need help just ask, pur0ng <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> ... <br /> <br /> This was an innocent error but it was useful to learn something more about legal problems related to 3d art... ( Tormie won't escape to Cuba anymore <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> )

Sean, thank you. <br /> <br /> Tormentor, In consideration of your questions about morphs, I examined the Poser 5 EULA. <br /> <br /> The geometry (obj files) of the characters are considered restricted content that can not be redistributed. However, the license does provide an excpetion for some restricted content including morphs and character files. <br /> <br /> Here is an excerpt from the section of the license that discusses this issue: <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-nouser">Quote:</div><div class="post-text"> <br /> The following are Legitimate Uses of Restricted Content: <br /> <br /> - Creating morph targets based on the Restricted Content provided that any distribution of the <br /> morph targets will not include the original mesh connectivity information. This can be in the form of data utilized with morph moving utilities or in a .CR2 file that references the original geometry but does not include the complete mesh. <br /> </div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> and latter in the same section about distributing characters. <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-nouser">Quote:</div><div class="post-text"> <br /> - Creating characters or props based on Restricted Content in proprietary file formats, where the original (or modified) geometry, texture, or other Restricted Content Files are not distributed with said characters or props. <br /> </div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> the sections ends with this statement <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-nouser">Quote:</div><div class="post-text"> <br /> J. As part of the legitimate uses for Restricted Content outlined above, you may reproduce, distribute, sell, copyright, publicly display, and publicly perform using Restricted Content provided that such activity is limited to the Legitimate Uses enumerated above and does not violate any other clauses in this agreement and/or applicable US copyright laws. <br /> </div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> Therefore of the items that incorporate some of Curious Lab's restricted content, that are in the free downloads section of Posetteforever, they are covered in the license as "Legitimate Uses of Restricted Content".--including the distribution of it. <br /> <br /> Posetteforever is clean and legal. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Yep <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ! pur0ng asked me if he could distribute a cr2 file with his owm-made-from-scratch texture so I think that the response is <b>yes</b>

I will need to reread the EULA to make certain but I think that there might me a slight problem in using a CR2 for that purpose. However, it is be better to create a MAT pose file rather than a CR2. The MAT files would be more flexible in being able to be used on any character using a texture based on the same UV Mapping. <br /> <br /> I will post my findings soon. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Right it is as I thought. As I interpret the sections of the EULA that I have already quoted, there is the problem that the figure files (CR2 and CRZ) contain the geometry of the morph targets. For distributing the textures within a figure file the file would have to have the standard morphs stripped out. That would resulting in a character that is even less flexible than the bas V3 and M3 models, unless the person downloading the file reinstalls the morphs. <br /> <br /> There may be an option that would make this sort of distribution legal but I need to verify it before commenting further. <br /> <br /> I will post the some more in a few minutes, if I find the information quickly enough. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Yes, this is a grey area that there is no clear answer that I can confirm. However there is one methods of dirtributing the CR2 file without having to strip anything from it. One workable solution that was even approved by DAZ is to use the RTEencoder to process the CR2 file. <br /> <br /> The custom character is developed and saved in the character library. Then the RTEncoder will process the new CR2 file and the original CR2 file that the character was developed and in the process will create a new file (the RTE file). The RTE file is distributed, the persons downloading the file will use RTEencoder to process the RTE file and their own copy of the original CR2 file to recreate the modified CR2 file. With all morphs still in place. The program can be found in several on-line sources, perhaps the most convienent source would be to do a search for RTEncoder in the free stuff section of Renderosity. <br /> <br /> Perhaps I am being too careful in my interpretation of the EULA, but this is one of the common ways to distribute custom CR2 and other poser files that is considered safe for distribute those files in a useful way without violating copyrights. As long as RTEncoders is used as it was intended to be used. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Is it possible that I could be more confused now then before? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/confused.gif" alt="" /> lol From what I understood, in my reading of whatever copyright file it was that I had read, and of course "my understanding of it" was that as far as the Curious Labs figures were concerned - those included with Poser 3, 4, 5 - you could do what you wanted with them and distribute or sell what you made from them as you saw fit. DAZ clearly states that is not the case: one reason I am working with Posette to begin with. I am not giving away any morphs or objs or..... I redid all the files that I had up previously with my own hand made skin texture as the background and reposted them. I applied all the new "skins" to Posette and saved them as new characters in my library, seeing as I don't know how to make a MAT pose file. If anyone wanted to use the textures I have done or the CR2 files they would have to 1.own Poser and 2.use Posette. If I am only supplying an add-on to a character I don't see why that should be an issue. I am not giving away anything that can be used without prior purchase from Curious Labs. I never thought trying to give away free stuff would be so hard <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_wall.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_wall.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_wall.gif" alt="" /> Would someone be willing to go to one of my sites and (if bandwidth permitting) download one of the outfit files I have posted for Posette and let me know if I am still in violation of any copyright rules. I am guessing that someone still has the address, afraid to repost it <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> Ok I have a monster headache now <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" /> So much easier just to download other people's stuff!!

Oh as an aside and not that it really matters but I am a SHE <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" />