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As some of you know, the first version of Poser that I used was Poser 2. Latter on I bought Poser 4 as a clearance item. Until reciently I was not able to take create anything with it. I was thinking of looking into Poser 5 some day in the future, that future has now come. <br /> <br /> When I learned of the soon to be released Poser 6, I was curious so I looked up its details on Curious Lab's website. I discovered that Poser 6 will not be able to under Window 9x. I am running Windows 9x on this box; therefore, I descided it is time to upgrade to Poser 5, before it disappears from the marketplace. <br /> <br /> In this area there are a few computer stores within a few blocks of each other. Each of them often have some nice software bargins, or at least they did the last time that I visited them. I found that each of them have been remodeled and their product selections have changed, not for the better. <br /> <br /> I entered the first store looked around, and did not find the nice software selection that I had expected. I verified on their public access inventory terminal that they had two copies in stock--but where? I could not find them. I asked a salesman for help. He did not know what Poser is. He asked me to describe it, I did. It appeared that he did not know anything about 3D art. I mentioned a few other 3D packages, hoping that at least one would spark a memory in him. None did. After he verified that they were suppoed to have two copies in stock, he asked me to again explain the purpose of the software. <br /> <br /> This time I phrased it like it is described in their inventory listing. He latched on to the words "pictures" "models" "figures" and "human"; he replied "Oh, now I know what you want." <br /> <br /> He asked another salesman for help. The second salesman asked him what he was looking for. As they were entering the back room, I heard this exchange. "The customer wants porn software." "To block porn?" "No, to get it." I tried to correct them, but either they were out of ear shot or were ignoring me. In about a couple of minutes they returned from the back room, they were empty handed and treated me as though I am slime. <br /> <br /> In each of the following four stores, with variations, the minds of each salesperson were as far into the gutter as the others and I was treated more or less the same way by each of them. I really don't understand their thinking at all. Have any of you experienced anything like this in relation to Poser? <br /> <br /> In the end, I did buy a copy of Poser 5, but not from any of them. <br /> <br /> My early opinion of Poser 5 is that I am quite impressed with what P5 can do. I found it to be very helpful in creating "Birth of Galatea". <br /> <br /> Pangor

i don't know whether to laugh or be disgusted at this, they clearly need to train their employees on better conduct and also on the software they carry. I haven't had quiet that experiance but I have tried to find 3d software in a number of stores (Staples, Circuit City to name a couple) and the responce I get is that they don't know what poser, bryce or pretty much any of the 3d programs are. They look at me like I'm talking a different language and say they don't think they have it. I've never had one say it's porn software, but who knows that might be what they were thinking lol <br /> I would get ahold of each of those stores managers and tell them how you were treated, explanie to them that poser isn't a piece of software to get porn with and also inform them to use the internet and see for themselves what poser actually is so they can clue in their help or fire their help.

One of those salesmen was an assistant store manager. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> When I asked the one of the salesmen in the first store to check in the backroom for the software, he told me that he didn't know if there was back room, since it was only his third week on the job. <br /> <br /> In the second store, I tried to show them what can be done with Poser. They had a computer connected to the internet that one so the saleswoman used to try to lookup information about Poser. I gave her the URL for Curious Labs, but she ignored my offer. Then I asked her to try a URL that would show her some of my work. She replied, "We don't allow those kinds of pictures on store computers! Think of the childern, if they saw the pictures." <br /> <br /> In the third store, a small non-chain store, it was the owner who reacted that way. <br /> <br /> I have tried complaining before about bad service in those kinds of stores. But at least in this area all that management seems to be interested in these days is getting bodies to wear the store's uniforms. When I do find a salesperson who knows the store's merchandise and knows the field as well, I have noticed that they don't last long in the store. When mentioned after their departure from the store, the remaining personnel including the managers speak badly of them. <br /> <br /> I am wondering, perhaps, there was an article in a local paper or in a free computer rag that mentioned Poser in a negitive way. Or perhaps one of those dim bulbs discovered one of the more extreme Poser websites and spread their discovery around. That might explain all but the first store.. I think that in the first store it was that the salesman latched on to the words "human, figures, models, and pictures" and his imagination filled in the rest. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Oh, GP, I know how I feel about it. I feel disgusted by their reactions. <br /> <br /> As for the all too common agrument about protecting childern from art that the saleswoman implies by her comment. I for once have been exposed to art since a very young age. Among my favorite books when I was a child was "A Childern's History of Art". It taught about many of the artforms from neolithic to modern. I did not hide or ignore artistic nudes, it showed then as art in the illustrations and it discussed openly and frankly. As I recall that book included photographs of "Venus de Milo", "The Dying Gaul", and "The Discus Thrower". <br /> <br /> At that age, I also had access to books about Mythology, History, Archaeology, Anthropology, and many other subjects. Many of them included illustrations that were far more extreme than anything than I would have been showing that saleswoman had she viewed my works. <br /> <br /> I had access to other books on the subject of art, all illustrated. One important thing that all these books had in common was that reguarless of being written for adults or childern, they all visual forms as somthing to be analyzed and appreciated. Some of the childerns books encouraged the development of personal tastes in art. I don't think that my exposure at that age to such works harmed me at all. <br /> <br /> On the contrary, when I was in school, I had times when I was diguested by the reactions of my fellow students who had been "protected" from such images, when they were exposed to them. More than once while in public school, there accidental exposures of the students to nude images. For me, it was nothing. For others who had been "protected", it was a major event that always ended badly. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Poser-porn software? I heard that before. My mother even thinked they'll put me in jail for using a program where the basic figures are naked. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> The only thing such people as theese salesmen are wondering about is why the characters are wearing clothes when they could be naked. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> "Protecting" children from art isn't the best thing adults can do. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_snooty.gif" alt="" />

This is ridiculous. I would ask them what with this pornfixation that they have? How come a 3dprogram with human figures automaticly=porn? Is that all THEY think about? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" />

I guess they (these stores) should remove any and all 3d software they do carry on public shelves and also remove photoshoup products, Paintshop pro and other graphic type prgrams such as those because anyone know knows how to draw could be drawing porn or dirty pictures on those as well, not to mention importing from 3d programs. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_wall.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_snooty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" />

Are you guys looking at those magazines in the bathroom again? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_angel.gif" alt="" />

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The emoticons speak for themselves. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_angel.gif" alt="" />

I quite agree. I think thier reactions speak more about them and their thinking more than anything else. I think it was disgusting. But sadly, I did not find it to be to much of a suprise, I have experienced stupid things like that before. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Did somebody say Porn???? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_eh.gif" alt="" />

To all the us-friends... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" /> <br /> Don't take it personally, but if i browse through the net <br /> and must read often: not for people under 18/21 and <br /> see then really artistic nudity, photos of greek antique statues and so on, <br /> i have to think by me: Is this real? With extreme violence in movies americans <br /> don't have any probs - but if they see a naked nipple - wether or not of <br /> stone, ancient statues or other things - they seem to cry out loud: PORN! <br /> The DEVIL! - i don't understand these minds, sorry. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" />

<blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-user">Poserkatz";p="19332 wrote: </div><div class="post-text">To all the us-friends... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" /> <br /> Don't take it personally, but if i browse through the net <br /> and must read often: not for people under 18/21 and <br /> see then really artistic nudity, photos of greek antique statues and so on, <br /> i have to think by me: Is this real? With extreme violence in movies americans <br /> don't have any probs - but if they see a naked nipple - wether or not of <br /> stone, ancient statues or other things - they seem to cry out loud: PORN! <br /> The DEVIL! - i don't understand these minds, sorry. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /></div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> my words <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> <br /> why not ban all the web? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" />

Well I must be an American that must be a little different. No I don't take it personally. I think you are right. It is the way people look at it. A naked statue is tasteful. A women to me with no clothes if done in a classy manner I don't see anything wrong with it. But the children sometimes don't understand and with the oh no don't look thing that people have it leads to it being a sin or wrong. I think if people are brought up from the beginning to look at people the way they truly are then there is no couriosity to thinking hey this is something we shouldn't see, let's look at it. Just my two cents on this subject. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> <br /> My words, ban the web, and I won't be talking with good people such as yourselves. Freedom of speech is where ever you can say it. The web is fine and if you don't want to go into an area that you have been warned when you clicked the button, then don't go there. But it should be left up to the person's freedoms. *sigh* Another two cents. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

I agree, but there was a time when I was one of the "prudes" and thought that nudity belonged in the bedroom,(rasied with a strong religious background as a kid and teen) those days are past now, but I still don't like the idea of some of the stuff they show on TV here, esp when it's early enough that the kids are up and see it. And no I'm not talking about cable channels, the network channels have gotten pretty raunchy as well. I'm also not talking about artistic nudity, just the smut stuff they show and some of the commercials that tend to really go overboard. I do not believe that poser is just for porn, of course it can be if people wish to use it that way, but the majority of what I see isn't. Even my kids use Poser and have seen pretty much all of my artwork, because my computer is in my living room and they are always walking by when I"m working on it. They know the difference between art and porn and even though my 13 year old likes to tell me "Mom puts some clothes on them" he knows it's art and not porn. As for the internet, I also agree, don't click if you don't want to see it, but there are times when even the internet can be a problem when I click on something in google that is totally innocent (I think) and then get bombarded with porn ad's, but I guess if you are going to use the internet you have to accept the bad with the good.

As another from the USofA, I say that I agree with both Tda42 and GP. I also agree with Ahjah and Poserkatz about the illogical aspects of the situation. <br /> <br /> Yes, GP you are right about what has become of broadcast television in the states these days. <br /> <br /> Have you seen the movie, Medicine Man? In it the Amazonian Indian native of the village where most of the movie take place are fully dressed, for their culture and environment, but underdressed for our culture. When the movie is shown on television they show a different version where they are more dressed than would be natural for their culture and the nudity in that case is purely innocent. Now the strange part is that there were a couple of times in the movie when the extra clothing did not cover enough for someone's taste, because I noticed a couple of times when the image was pixelated. <br /> <br /> On the other hand, there are primetime comedy shows and cartoons that at times show much more than would be seen in medicine man; however, in this case when shown it is for shock or salacious effects. Those scenes are often used in the broadcast advertisements for those programs. <br /> <br /> A few years ago, a local television station was broadcasting reruns of the Flintstones. They were pressured by a protest group to remove them from their schedule because "Childern watching the Flintstones will be harmed by the mistreatment of women and extreme violence." When the Flintstones were removed from the schedule, it was replaced with the Simpsons. <br /> <br /> have you seen the movie "Robocop"? The language used in that movie is quite extreme, when broadcast on television they dub in different wording. If they had prepared two versions of the film that would have been one thing, but each time I have seen a broadcast of it, it appears to hvae been redubbed. There is one scene were a thug is robbing a store. When he sees the hero of the movie, he opens fire while saying over and over, "@#$% me!". In broadcasts, I have heard that phrase replaced differently each time with "Mess with me!", "Mess me!", "Play with me", "Kiss me", and "Dirty me!". Yet that scene has been used in the advertisement for the broadcasts, in the advertisement they use the original undubbed wording of "!@#$ me!" <br /> <br /> The same word that was dubbed out in that scene is used regularly in a few comedy programs that are shown on that channel. In the case of the comedies the word is not dubbed over. There is also a teenager's dance contest show on that channel. I have no interest in that program, but have seen the ending of it several times when preparing to watch the following program. In that dance program, they use the most vulgar and base language you can imagine as though it is the normal way of talking. On that show, they refer to the girls and women as (excuse my cleaning up their language to not being quite as vulgar) female canines and street walkers. For men and boys they refer to them as customers of street walkers, managers of street walkers and canines. They use these terms as we would use young ladies, ladies, men and young men. <br /> <br /> In the second season of "Enterprise" there was a scene where Hoshi has to climb through a very narrow opening in the ceiling and then drop through another opening into anotehr room. Somehow, when dropping through the ceiling she looses her clothing. I suppose to got snagged and ripped off during her fall. Either way she is shown frontal topless, with her arms covering herself. The loss of her clothing was a minor detail in that episode that did nothing to advance the story. It seems that it was added for a humorious moments. Then there have been scenes where the crew members were going through docontamination and in the process they were shown in their underwear applying some decontamination ointments on themselves and each other. There is another scene in another episode that showed the bare back of Blalock's character. In each of these cases, those scenes were used in the advertisements edited so as to make it appear that something salacious was going on. In the case of Hoshi's topless scene it was shown in the generic advertisement for the series for over a year. However, the advertisment was edited so that it appeard that her lack of clothing was the result of a salacious assult by a fellow cremember. <br /> <br /> Pangor

I'm only know cinema-movies from us - not the television. <br /> Therefore it is highly interesting to me to read something about it here, <br /> thanks pangor, gp,tda - seems to me, that the "prudes" have a lot of <br /> weight <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_eh.gif" alt="" /> . <br /> I agree also with gp and others, who say, that there is a difference <br /> between nudity - artistic nudity - rough nudity and "soft porn nudity". <br /> To me the difference is in fact the motivation to make a nude pic. <br /> <br /> In Germany we have a § called Pornography - and the law and order <br /> is totally different to similar pics, movies and texts. There is no rule, <br /> most often the deceisions of judges are to 1 special thing, every thing is <br /> a special kind with it's own judging. Sometimes it called porn, sometimes not. <br /> <br /> It's difficult, but to me it's not logical to say: Teenager don't must look porn, <br /> if they are underaged, but they can f**k, like they want. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> Many of us-movies (in us for 15 or under 15) get in germany the 18+ Label <br /> because of violence - on the other hand in germany the comedies always <br /> show naked tits, even in TV i think - it's a strange strange world... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_sick.gif" alt="" />

Don't forget the V-Chip guys. They put that in there to give them permission to have adult themes on the air. It is becomeing a time when popcorn, coke and a good movie are things of the past. Again they let you choose what to watch with the ratings on the box. The times have gone where oh sh_t had replaced Gee Whizz. Sometimes taking away some of the freedoms are a good thing and power to the people instead of networks telling you what to watch. We the people decide on what is right or wrong and really the sad down fall is most of the people go for the craze and smut. Spock said it best. The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few or the one. That's just what they did. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" />

An example of something I thought was totally unnessasary, the movie "Open Water" a great movie if you haven't seen it yet, but at the very beginning of the movie the two stars of the movie (husband and wife) go to bed for the night and make love and it shows them nude, the movie is about a couple who gets left out in the ocean by accident when they go on a scuba diving trip on a charterd boat with about 20 other people. The only nudity is in that first scene, which I believe was thown in to up the rating of the movie or to try and get more men to watch it. I saw no reason for that scene, but then maybe I am still a prude lol <br /> What's really getting me mad is all the commercials on tv about pills, almost every commercial these days is someone pushing some kind of drug (not illigal type drugs, but drugs for different ailments) It is any wonder these days that so many people are hooked on pain killers, depressants and diet pills? They (the commercials) make you think that you are not healthy or happy unless you have something wrong with you and need to take pills of some kind for it. The really "great" one is the "boner pill" commercials that they show at all times of the day and evening suggesting men should get them so they can make their lives better and their wives happier. My 13 year old son sees these commercials and just cracks up, of course it's embarrasing to me to be watching tv with him and have one of them come on and have him ask me what about these kinds of pills. Of course he knows what they are now, but the first time it came on, he didn't and I wanted to crawl under the couch lol <br /> Of course we've also got all the Victoria's secert commercials on and I'll tell you what, Victoria doesn't have much of a secret that I can see <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> <br /> Well that's my two cents worth <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

I had not considered the V-Chip, my television was made before the introduction of it. Something that I have been curious about, does it block undesired commercials and public service announcements broadcast during an acceptable television program? <br /> <br /> The other night I was watching a travel and highlight style program about Italy. During the program they avoided showing any of the public artworks. When they could not avoid having one of the paintings or statues in the frame, they were covered by a caption boxes, providing additional details of the piece. Such as when they showed the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. With the Scene of the creation of Adam, they showed the almost the complete image, but they place a caption box providing details of its creations covering all of Adam except for his head, sholders and his arm extended twords God. Oh yes, they also avoided mentioning the word "God", it was replaced with "the bearded figure in the right". <br /> During the intermissions they showed advertisements for male performance enhancement drugs, one even had diagram showing the results on the user. They played a public service announcement that was quite explicit. <br /> <br /> The dance program that I mentioned, it is rated Y-7, while Star Trek is rated TV-PG and recent broadcast of H.G.Well's "The Time Machine" the version with Rod Taylor as the time travler was rated TV-R. <br /> <br /> Pangor

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> Only in America <br /> I guess American TV thinks it's okay to show porn, sex and drugsand violence and not okay to show anything religious, what a screwed up way of thinking. <br /> Just think, you can still watch Howard Stern on tv, doesn't that say a lot in itself?? <br /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_snooty.gif" alt="" />

I loved The Time Machine. In some small way they had a romantic feal to them. Even Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea the take off pilot or Movie if you will, seem to have a romantic Theme song for the start up. The way I see it, in my mind it is fine for people to experiment and get to know each other as woman and man but they take all the fun and fantisy away leaveing nothing. VH1 and M TV when they first started out they had crazy and fun videos. But these days it is everything including the mule thrown in the video and nothing is special anymore. Everything is the same because of the Midi patches and no more style. The girls are looking more and more slutty and its like a Christmas Present. We are excited to open up the present and the thrill of what it was is gone. Now I know guys like that kind of stuff but hey if you keep showing us the color blue we will get tired of it and want something else for a change. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> It's like we have done that and been there. Even I get tired of those pills which I don't need for the record and a woman saying it's the quailty responce he wants like if she isn't looking like a rabbit ready to jump his bones every 5 seconds. Pleeeez <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> The only thing that gal needs is some candle light and a good album of Barry White. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" /> Yes we takin the fun out of it and gave it to our young (10 years old on up), to worry us one more time. Just my two cents. Anybody have anymore change to spare. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Amen brother, I agree, what's left to the imagination anymore? Another thing, look at the kids of today, they are so much less innocent than I was at their ages, I think they are growing up way to fast and see way to much on tv, hear way to much on the radio and on their games and music, it's really kind of scary to think about. I'm all for learning, but when we start taking away a childs 'childhood" is that really a good thing? Again I'm not talking about letting children explore art, let's just keep the porn and smut out of their hands until they are old enough to understand it better.

Due to my PC-Problems I watch this thread only now. <br /> <br /> @ Pangor about his salesmen experience: my reaction in the same situation would be to ask to the salesman something like : "Uhm... ok... But, do you have some of those big latex penis ? mmmmh... those with batteries inside that .... (censored)", then when out of the store I would press my naked butts on their glasses and run away before the police come... (But Tormie is very, very bad <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif" alt="" /> ). <br /> <br /> We live in a strange world, here in Italy we seems obsessed by nude and sex. On my sat tv I watch foreign TV and I don't see so many naked, half naked women like here in our TVs. You can see all sorts of strange dresses women presenting the news here and on foreign TV they have formal dresses. <br /> <br /> What I really don't like is that in the same program the male announcer is every time dresses with formal dresses but the women are half naked. I thought at it recently and I find it disgusting. <br /> <br /> I find that the informations that they give us on TV, radio and newspapers is not the truth, but they are distorced, I call it "enriched reality", When I and my brother are watching a particular italian news channel we laugh to tears... <br /> <br /> The "enriched" reality for a car crash is a sad music into the background, some scenes showing crying relatives and if a child is involved, a close view of a little shoe or a doll on asphalt: disgusting... But here there are more subtle things, most of them about politics. For example: you know what happened some days ago in Iraq when american soldiers killed an italian secret service agent for an accident. Now, the poor man was killed and I think that all happened in seconds, he could do absolutely nothing but being killed, he was only on the wrong side of the car. Now he has become a hero, gold medalled (for what I don't know...), the funeral has been shown on TV with all the italian "realm" present. That man was doing his work and he has been killed, honour to him, but they "enriched" what happend saying that he volunteerly protected the freed hostage with his body, a hero, medal, public funeral, a lot of "crcodile's tears" etc.... Poor man, his corpse has been used for propaganda... <br /> <br /> I think that all this parody has been created only to give consence to our involvement in Iraq (our "courageous soldiers"...lol) strongly wanted by our actual prime minister while the "regional" elections are incoming... <br /> <br /> <br /> I don't watch tv too much and have all sorts of ad-spam-blocking programs on my PC, I can't live without it...

You are right with Eversharp! <br /> <br /> It seems that they have forgotten even how to make a real romantic movies. Some of the movies of this sort that I find most touching and memorable would never last in the movie house these days. In some cases the couple never even became a couple, consider "Roman Holiday". In it the main two characters clearly fell in love, but because of their responsibilities and duties they had to part. Some others are "Mr Robinson Cruso" staring Douglas Fairbanks Sr. and the charming little Disney comedy "Darby O'Gill and the Little People". I would hate to think of how these stories would be fouled up if they were remade today to suit modern expectations. <br /> <br /> Look at how they changed "Starship Troopers" when they adapeted it from the original book into a movie. As an action/SciFi movie, I like it. But I think that it would have been so much better if they had kept to the original story. Other than the obvious changes such as the mixed gender combat units, there is one change that has me puzzled. In the movie, Ricco's parent's who were dead set against his joining the service are killed in the sneak attack that destroyed his home city. In the book it is different. Ricco's parents were again dead set against his enlistment, mostly so far it is the same as the movie although in the book it is also made clear that his father is an absolute pacifist. When Ricco's home city is destroyed in the attack, his mother is killed, but his father who was on a business trip survives. at the end of the book, Ricco has already been field promoted to the head of the Roughnecks and afterwords has already attended OTC and been once again promoted. At that point after suffering heavy losses, his command is reinforced by a number of green privates fresh out of boot camp. His father is no longer a pacifist and is one of those new privates now under his command. (I may have gotten some details wrong, It has been a couple of decades since I last read it. Note to self, reread it) <br /> <br /> Pangor

"Another thing, look at the kids of today, they are so much less innocent than I was at their ages, I think they are growing up way to fast and see way to much on tv, hear way to much on the radio and on their games and music, it's really kind of scary to think about. I'm all for learning, but when we start taking away a childs 'childhood" is that really a good thing? Again I'm not talking about letting children explore art, let's just keep the porn and smut out of their hands until they are old enough to understand it better." <br /> <br /> I agree. Kids don't think or feel the same way as adults do and i think it's so wrong to expose them to porn, smut and sex the way tv/papers etc do. Here in sweden awhile back a big clothing store tried to sell bras (including stuffed ones) to 7-8 year olds. When you're that little there's not even a need for one and that's so not what girls that age think about. What were they thinking?? They pulled the clothes btw too many people protested it and boycotted the store for it to be profitable. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_dance.gif" alt="" />

WoW! This topic became very complicated (thank God I have a dictionary I coundn't translate all this <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ). There is censorship in the USA? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/confused.gif" alt="" /> That's a good exemple of "enriched reality". Once again it proves that my "favourite" idio...I mean teacher told us a lot of foolishness. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> By the way is it true that in the countries members of the European Union (exspecially Germany) all people are rich and happy and there are free clothes and food on the streets , because people there are so rich that they don't need to keep the clothes they bought a month ago? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <br /> I agree with GP our generation is growing too fast and the medias helped us alot. But I believe here there is bigger contrast between the previous and the next generation due to a lot of specifical reasons. There was a sexual revolution in the 60's , hippys , the Beattles and other stuff witch were almost forbidden here. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/mad.gif" alt="" /> Now we're making up for all this . There was censorship. Communism and nudity? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_eh.gif" alt="" /> No way! But now there is nudity not only on the TV , there is violence also not only on the TV . A year ago two girls younger than me killed their classmate only because she was prettier, a several moths ago there were some boys who did te same and after that cut up their friend's body parts into pieces to hide the body. After that older people said :" There was no such things when we were teenagers! It's all because of the TV (aka because of the american movies don't take it personally <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> ) , because of the video games and of course because of MTv !" There was no censorship of course but parents go crazy when they see some non-normal thing on the screen. When my father was a boy ( That's not very good exemple he's 20 years older than most of you) there was no TV , no cinema in his village and his family was considered very rich because they had a radio. I know it may sounds ridiculous but it's true. There were no dirty pictures in any newspaper nor everywhere else and the old people had strict understandings , traditions and they educated their children the same way. And now when my father accidentaly saw an Marylin Manson's clip on MTv his reaction was.. WoW.. just terrible. I was just pretending not to pay attention to the TV screen waiting to see how he would turn off the TV but he continue to watch with disguise and not believing his eyes. Then I said : " Is there something wrong with the remote control? It 's not working, does it?" After that my parents were sure I'm not watching such a things and I even don't know that MTv exists. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_liar.gif" alt="" /> I couldn't say I have watched this video many times before without paying such attention to it because it was mediocre and boring. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shhh.gif" alt="" /> But to say that I'm sometimes watching MTv and listening to bands such as Sirenia , Nightwish and ect that would be a disaster! When there are some nudity scenes in a movie my parents automaticaly change the chanel because I could see it but I souldn't . When my father was principal ( oh yes , he's a teacher <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> ) and heard some uncensored words from some of the students he always talked with the student's parents. But all this didn't make me better than the other teenagers they even think I'm not normal and I'm a very very bad person ( Oh yes I'm an "energy vampire" and a "witch" , remember? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ) So it's not only because of the medias. There was also a poster in Sofia ( the capital) of Azis ( he/she or whatever this poser is made career as chalga singer by showing his fat body wearing women clothes and pretending to be homosexsual . Well he's not! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/mad.gif" alt="" /> ) showing his naked ass (sorry if this is a bad word <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> ) and Boiko Borisov came personally to remove the poster! Oh you don't know who is Boiko Borisov <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> . His the MVR (police) chief the most honoured and trusted man here. I don't think this was part of his job. <br /> @Tormentor , our news readers may be dressed formally but the news are... like a fairy-tale for children. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> There was a political crise here a weeks ago but on the news they said that the rating of the current government is raising and most of the people would vote for the king in the next elections ( I will be 18 years old in the next elections and I will have the right to vote. WoW! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ). The people were ready to go out and protest like they did in 1997 but the news said they're content. There was also such funerals of our soldiers who died in Kerbala a year ago but the reaction of the society was diffrent from the expected. They want the government to remove our troops from Iraq immediately. And another exemple of "enriched reality" the same news channel said that only 2% of the people don't like the change in the Constitution but another sociological investigation said that they were 80% . Big diffrence , isn't it? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_wall.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

From reading all that's been posted here by everyone, I think now that the United States is about the same as any other Country, they all seem to have problems, I guess we all just have to deal with it and know that we're not alone on this big planet. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

GP, quite so, it looks like there are twisted ideas all over the world. <br /> <br /> Tormentor, I would not have protested in the store the way the you suggeseted. More so, because, in the first store, they have a security guard stationed by the front door. She has been working at that store longer than any of their salesstaff, so while that last of sales people that I have become familiar with are long gone, she knows me. <br /> <br /> Our television news is not much better. In this area, the women newsreader are dressesd similar in style to their male counterparts; what bothers me though is ther attitudes and bahavior. Most often the men, who are sitting at the news desk, read the news in a stern or even stoic stlye. Sometimes the women at the news desk also use that style, but more often than not, they put on a cutsie act. Then after a news story is finished, they will make comments on the story, either "AWW tooo bad", "how cute!" "Oh how sad". They often make jokes too, often the jokes are at the expense of the men. Then the men may sometimes join in with the "fun", but they have to watch their step. <br /> The field reporters, weather people, and sports reporters are even more frivioulus in their style. Then we had horrible thing reported in the news that they descibe with these words like "Spectacular" and "Fantastic". Since when is a fire that destroys an entire city block of homes, fantastic? <br /> <br /> A few years ago, there was a natural disaster, a firestorm. During it the homes of some of the news people were threatened. In the news studio there was a drama developing as the two of the newsreaders were effected by the fire. In the end they both left the studio to do what they could back home, the problem is how they were both treated differently of taking a similar course of action. One was a man and the other was a woman, they were both publicly ordered to stay in the studio. <br /> <br /> For the man's family the danger was extreme, he had called home and discovered that the babysitter had left to save herself, leaving his childeren and pets behind to face the on comming fire. He tried to contact his neighbors but they appeared to have already evacuated. So, he left to go home and rescue his childern and pets. Latter he called in his report from a payphone at a refugee shelter: When he had arrived home he found his neighborhood engulfed in smoke and the block next to his was alread on fire. He got to his house, got his childern and pets into his vehicle. By the time they were pulling away from the his house, the fire had reached it and it was fully engulfed by the time they had reached the end of the block. After that day, his job was termininated and he has never been seen from nor mentioned again. <br /> <br /> Now for the woman, she left the studio at the same time. The station sent a remote feed truck and crew to her house. They filmed her standing on her roof with a garden hose. She was referred to as brave and her actions heroic. They also showed her and the crew removing her possesion from her home so as to not loose them. As it turned out, the fire never any closer to her home than about four miles. (Too close for comfort, but compared to the fellow's home...) The scene of her "combating" the fire was used in the advertisement of the news department for years. By the way, they composited flames into the scene and tinted her red and orange for the advertisement. She also was given several awards and medals for her bravery. <br /> <br /> Yes, though there are some under clothed newsreaders in this country as well. I have heard about a cable news program called, "The Naked News". In it the newsreaders and reporters deliver the news while stripping off their clothes. Since, I have not seen that program, I don't know how they present it nor if they do in fact end up completly naked or if they have a bathing suit on under their clothes and stop there. Every so often on the regular news shows, they will mention somthing about that program and show the same clip each time. The clip is of the "weather babe" (as the woman newsreader on the regular news show referred to her as) delivering a forecast while unbuttoning and removing her blouse, the clip stops as soon as one bare sholder is visible. <br /> <br /> <br /> Erenda, you have cable television? Here I thought you were living in the 19th century!! <br /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> No, just kidding, I know better. It is the regular news that paints a strange picture for your part of Europe. They present us with a picture of peasent villiages, a few rare 19th Century cities with some early 20th Century improvements with the country side being overrun with gypsies and cossack raiders. <br /> <br /> TdaC, I agree, today's childeren cause me to worry about the future. When I was in school and for many years there after, I always carried a pocket knife with me. It has two different size cutting blades, bottle opener/screwdriver and a can opener. It also has a compass that has never worked since I first got the knife. I never thought of it as a weapon, and I even used it in school many times and the tool that it is. Now, I no longer carry it, in case someone accuses me of carrying a weapon. Many building now have signs on them warning procecution of anyone entering them with weapon. Last year, a grade school student was expelled from a local school and arrested for violating their zero tolerance for weapons policy. The student had a nail file in her bag, not even a metal one, it was an emery board. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Wise words GP <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> !! <br /> <br /> @ erenda, I think that the way the children see nude, sex and porn depends on their parents' explanations. My mother explained me what I saw on the tv screen or on paper, saying for example that porns are not what happen in real life. The big problem is that parents prefer to change the channel rather then give some healty explanations to the kids, so the kids that are naturally curious will search for explanations on other sources, tipycally from friends, so they will see the reality distorced for a long time. I don't think that the right thing to do for protect children is to change the tv channel. Anyway there are things that are so disgusting that can be shown directly to a child, like corpses, blood or things like those because they will scare them and cause trauma. <br /> <br /> @ Pangor: I don't know how that episode with those news people could happen there. Here all the tv are covertly controlled by politic, you should know something about it, our prime minister is a TV Tycoon and controls a very large part of the informations media (I know that it couldn't be possible in a civilized country <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> ). The 3 channels of the "national" TV before the fall of Soviet Union were "peacefully" controlled by the larger political party: The first by the "christians democratics", the second by "socialist" (I think that "socialist" means a little different here from "communist") and the third by the communist party. There were nothing official but it was the situation. The commercial TV was largerly controlled by the actual prime minister. Now he has become the prime minister so you can imagine who controls ALL the TVs , lol <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ... <br /> <br /> Anyway if something similar would have happened here the fired man simply would have gone to an "opposite faction" TV, received as a hero. <br /> But I don't really think that something similar could happen here, simply to order to someone to stay at work while his family is burning is disgusting, I can hardly believe it and think that nothing has been done by the spectators or by any organizations <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> ...

He was the star reader their second level tier news programs. Weekends, Holiday, Noon, etc broadcasts. When I first notice his disappearance, I thought he was using some vacation time and/or sick days to reestablish a home for his family. After a little while, we (my family and I) realized that something was not right, so I contacted the station to inquire or if it was appropriate to logde a complaint. I was given the bum's rush and nothing good became of it. I mentioned him to various people that I knew watched his broadcasts. Before his disapperance they claimed to be fans of his, afterwards they were dismissive of him and his situation. If he were a part of a national broadcast rather than a local news show, it might have been different. <br /> <br /> By disreguarding a direct order, he would have been seen by management of his station and a problem personality. Once some one is seen that way by his management, the management of the other stations in the same market would not have wanted to take the risk of hiring a potiential trouble maker. Also, as long as he was working, he would have been in demand by the station's competition, once terminated, he would have been considered a "has been". It is strange, but I have seen it happen in other fields as well. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Reading all reply here I see how diferent can be the culture of diferent countries, in the TV and radio of my country it's easy to hear some words that could be called derty, but they are part of the commun lenguage and we assume that it's a little hipocrit to get mad about them if you can hear them everywhere (home, school, street) (of course, there are really derty words that offend, and you won't hear them), I don't understand when I see MTV all that strange PIPs in the liric of the songs, somebody tell me it's because somebody could feel ofended... then don't listen MTV, that's freedom, when you choose what to see and what to listen, and not let others desides for you. <br /> About nudity, some years ago, I saw in the Brazilian TV a promotional for the Rio Carnaval showing a garota (girl) dancing with a beautiful body painting and totally nude just covered by the painting and with one breast even unpainted, I saw the promotional in a commercial of a program for childrens in the afternoon, and I'm shure no mothers or fathers of that country saw that commercial like a dangerous thing for the mind health of their children, because the culture of that country IMHO is much more andvanced in the concept of beauty and porn, believe me what I saw was beautiful not porn and was an almost naked woman, I think we must not understimate the inteligence of our childrens and if we are good parents and show the true diference between something good and something bad and that some words can be used in some moments and some words in others moments and with other pleoples (I thing it's called respect) we must not be affraid of what they see or listeng, resuming, it's a matter of culture and education I think. (don't see my mispels please)

Very well said, Rayera. <br /> <br /> Like I was saying about being "protected" from the beauty of art and be a very dangerious thing. Such an incident that happened back when I in as I recall my eigth year in school so the ages of the students in that class were between 13 and 15 years old. The school year was coming to the end. Thinking back, I believe that we had less than a week left before the end of the term. There was not enough time left to start anything new, so my english litrature teacher was trying to occupy our remaining time in class with other little educational items. <br /> <br /> One thing he did during his summer vacations was to travel the world, so on this day he was delivering a slide show presentation of pictures he took while visiting Europe, he said that teh next day would be Asia and the day after Latin America. I was watching, listening, and enjoying the presentation of his European travels. I think that I was the only student who was enjoying it, the rest of the students were bored and ignoring the presentation. Then one particular slide came up, it was of a statue. He asked us if anyone of us could identify the statue. I did, it was the [i:bf3d0bceb8]Venus de Milo[/i:bf3d0bceb8]. He then asked me about the its history, I started to mention what I knew of it. His expression was one of suprise. <br /> <br /> That is when one of the other students, a boy, noticed the image on the screen and caused the rest of them to take notice as well. Their reaction to the sight of the nude Venus statue was to go wild, they grabed at the slide projector and broke it. They ripped off the slide magazine and spilled the slides on the floor. They boys and girls alike then started to fight for possesion of the slides which they were trying trying to find more images of the same images on. I remained in my seat well away from their activities. The teacher was not able to regain control of the situation, they were out of control. The only thing that stopped them was when the bell rang announcing the end of the session. <br /> <br /> The next day when it was time for the same class to begin, what do you think happened? The students came in as usual and were as roudy as usual, but the teacher was not there. A few minues after the final bell to signal the beginning of the session rang, the teacher came in along with one of the vice principals. The teacher then had to read an prewritten apology to the class, in which he had to acknowledge the terrible and permanent damage that his improper actions had caused to the students. None of the students who had misbehaved were ever disciplined for their actions. However, for the remaining few day of that school year, someone from administration always sat in all the clases of that teacher, to make sure that he does nothing else to harm the students. <br /> <br /> I know that his all sound quite ludicrous, but I can assure you that it did happen. And it was not an isolated incident either, somthing similar to that happened twice more during my time in that school. <br /> <br /> Pangor

I think your example express more clear what I mean Pangor, that was a total lack of respect, and a clear show of bad education in a, I supose, advanced society, I know there is not comparison but do you remember the Jannet Jackson insident?, a woman demanded her for moral damaged!!! that was a very big scandal!! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> LOL I never understood that kind of behabiour of the USA people, a guy from there once told me that 's because there are a lot of diferent creeds and socials groups and is hard to have happy everybody, I steel not to understand, I think there are much more important thinks to be worried about that are by far more dangerous and ofensive, and maybe this behabiour works to cover all that, in the years of tiranic military goverment of my country a world championship of soccer worked to cover thousand of murders and a stupid falsely patriotic war to hide terrible crimes, we are learning very slowlly after 23 year of pure democracy to give the real importance to each thing, and to love the real freedom to learn, to teach, to see and listeng what we want to, but as I said it's all a matter of culture, and sometimes the culture (bad or good) of a human grupe is even stronger than the lows or the true, I'm very sorry about that insidentof the Venus de Milo Pangor, I don't imagine how could have feel a person like you, it's easy to see you have a very open and clear mind... <br /> Ha!! about nude women in class, the iconography of my Republic is a strong and naked woman from waist up (like Venus de Milo) with a frigid hat, a spair with our flag and the national seal as a shield, a very beautiful sculpture that is in the main hall of the Congress (like your Capitolium)in Buenos Aires and wich photograph was on the blackboard of my 4º year of school <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> <br /> It could be a great chalenge try to tourn Posette into La Patria ( as we call Her) don't you think

I think that it should be a nice thing to see <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> !! <br /> <br /> It's very interesting to read something from the history of other countries with personal experiences ! <br /> The "talking users" here represents well a large part of our world, need someone from the far east <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> and Africa !

It sounds like it would be a beautiful scene. <br /> <br /> Wow, the J. Jackson incident is even talked about down there? I didn't think it went beyond the border. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <br /> My opinion of that issue is that if it really was an accident then that is the end of that. But considering some of the details that were reported about the incident, I don't think that it was an accident. Rather, I see it as a preplanned event that was a cheap exploitation of the adolescent thinking of their target audience. <br /> <br /> Oh, Tormentor, don't forget about someone from Oceania and someone from Antartica. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Ozymadias is from Oceania and Tdac and Deviant Viking are not in Antartica but it's very cold there !

OK, One locale down, and for the other locale, a close match <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> . <br /> <br /> <br /> Guess what I saw on television tonight? A picture of Rodin's "The Kiss". It was shown briefly and rotated at an unusual angle but the angle did not hide everything and they did not use some other trick such as using a caption postioned to obscure the view! <br /> <br /> Pangor

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Again very interesting postings. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> I agree with GP: all over the world we have our probs in our counties, <br /> sometimes similar to others, sometimes different from others. <br /> <br /> Here in Germany - and i'd bet, also in other countries - you have to <br /> listen to the news DAILY, because, if you don't listen for one or two <br /> weeks, you'll don't understand the most news, because they don't tell <br /> you the basics anymore after some days - they think, you are "in" and <br /> follow constantly, they seem to think, that there are no people far out <br /> like me, who don't listen the news every day... <br /> <br /> If i switch on, i listen the news as follows: "The rebels are on the way to <br /> hit the main city". Then i think to me: In which country? They don't tell me. <br /> I think: "What's going on? And where? And why? Civil war? and so on..." - <br /> the news don't tell me the basics facts and therefore i don't know anything <br /> about, because i've only listen once a week or once a month. <br /> <br /> In the last years i think, I've passed about 23 civil wars - 17 catastrophes - <br /> 14 political murderings and so on - because i'm not noticed the NEWS on <br /> TV/radio. <br /> <br /> Is it bad? I don't think so, it's not bad to me - i've no fears for what i don't know. <br /> The medias struggle you all the time, 24 hours a day - and you don't have time <br /> for deeper thinking or deeper understanding for what's going on in the world. <br /> To me often it's only a great "comedy in the world", sure, bad comedy, but comedy. <br /> <br /> To suggest you FEAR seems to me a very big deal to agencies, TV, newspapers... <br /> People with a lot of fear stop logical thinking, people with too much fear are typical <br /> victims to dictators or extreme politicians. <br /> <br /> But i have my own mind, my own thinkings and if i see behind the curtains, there is <br /> nothing that bad shit in the political world, double-moralism and lies. <br /> <br /> My last 2 cents to this thread. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

<blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-user">TORMENTOR";p="19433 wrote: </div><div class="post-text"><img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/confused.gif" alt="" /></div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> "The Kiss" is a statue created by Rodin. <br /> <br /> Here are two links that provide images of it from two different angles. <br /> <br /> <a class="post-url" href="http://www.statue.com/rodin-the-kiss.html" target="_blank">http://www.statue.com/rodin-the-kiss.html</a> <br /> <a class="post-url" href="http://www.artchive.com/artchive/r/rodin/kiss.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.artchive.com/artchive/r/rodin/kiss.jpg</a> <br /> <br /> Considering what has been mentioned in this thread, I was suprised to see it on broadcast television. <br /> <br /> Pangor

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It is no problem, Tormentor. <br /> <br /> Pangor

If that sculpture was shown on swedish tv, no one would say anything about it. Why are you surpriced it was broadcast?

I was suprised because of the way that artistic images of that sort is usually censored, and yet this time it was shown uncensored. It was used as a clue in a game show, the catagory was about the works of Rodin, other works were cited, with this being the only one shown as well discussed. <br /> <br /> The last time I was a similar image used this way, it was a detail from "Primavera" by Botticelli. The part that painting that was use was that of the three graces. The image was cropped so that you could only see their heads and upper torsos and their hand and arms where they intercected the image. However, their torsos were obscured by a caption box. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Human body is the most beautiful master piece of God (if you are religious) or nature (if you don't) if showed to express beauty I think there is no need for shame; month ago a publicity for a shoes brand was filmed and photographed in the 9 de Julio avenue (the wider of the world) in Buenos Aires the comercial consist of a beutiful lady crossing the avenue just wearing her shoes, nothing else, of course a lot of people gatered to see the event and a policeman interrupted the work and claimed the presence of a judge to resolve the problem if the comercial can or can't be done, the judge came and asked lowdly to the public if they feeled ofended by the nudity of the lady, mayority say no, then the judge sayed that if somebody feeled ofended had the choice of not to see and leave, and seeing there was a complete order allowed the comercial to be done, the result, everybody applauded when she finished the pass, and no disorder where see, I leave far away from Bs As and saw it in the news while having lunch without any kind of censoring, of course, it was no showed in an ofensive way, but in a funny way, if this kind of things can be showed in the TV of my country believe me such a beautiful masterpiece like The Kiss can't be censored

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