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Might want to check this out. Not sure if it is a V3 or a Posette but from what I have heard it is a Posette that can handle texture maps of V3 <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> Go to free stuff at Renderosity and check it out. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" /> It was made by dphoadley. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <a class="post-url" href="http://upload8.postimage.org/35237/photo_hosting.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://upload8.postimage.org/35237/posettev3.jpg" alt="Image" title="Image" /></a>

Dphoadley is no more part of our little family <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" />

Thats why I am smiling at the end of the sentence. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_angel.gif" alt="" />

He used a lot of third party morphs in his char file that's based on PitKlads Nea with a lot of Nea's morphs in it without a single word of credit <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_snooty.gif" alt="" /> , as well as a whole bunch of my morphs including my natural body and even one face moph by Thilda (I was credited, at least, but as "AJ", not as "ahjah" <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> ) <br /> To be honest I have to admit the remapping turned out very well...

I bet he never asked for permissions to use your morphs...

No, but I've been asked for beta testing some weeks ago...Well, I've been too busy with other stuff <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" />

Care to get a wrench and tighten a few bolts on a Robot Andreas. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" />

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> Where's my oil can? <br /> ... waiting for the files <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" />

Might I respectfully point out that if we have a shiny Expressionistc female robot in our files, we are duty bound to add a mad scientist. (Though any scientist with the name <i>Rotwang </i>has to have some serious issues I don't even want to contemplate...)

That's not a bad idea, we can use Domus <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> !

Kenny gets the Mad Scientist room prepared. A flash of light. MMmmmmauh hah! hah! haaaaa! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_angel.gif" alt="" />

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/party-smiley-004_774.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" />

He is using one of my morphs? wich one, where can i find this model and see for my self? In the readme to every freestuff submission i make i say u can not share it in any way shape or form and that it includes redistribution. Andreas if u betatested it before - why didn't u tell me about my morph? I hate this, this is why i stoped doing freestuff for awhile and if this is true - i don't see the point in doing freesutff at all.

Sad to say there was times I didn't get the credit I should of had in my life on things that I did and was very proud of. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/very_sad.gif" alt="" /> But all I can say is I just tested this out. If he is giving it away for free then in some way the free was added on from you and others. A group effort if you will. To see it broken down or band would be very bad. I wish I was there to give you a hug Thilda and have really the time to explain things on this matter, but I can't. This is so sad. I don't think anyone ment to hurt anyone in this. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" /> Maybe we could work out an agreement of some sort. I don't know. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/very_sad.gif" alt="" />

Hello, <br /> It, is P4 Posette figure. <br /> That, uses Victoria 3 Skin Textures.

I couldn't care less about the remapped version. I want my morph removed and i have written him a letter saying that. If he doesn't remove it i will make it public. He has also included all the japanease poserppl's morphs for posette - i don't know if he has thier permission to do so. If my morph is removed, he can share his remapped version all he wants - i don't care.

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif" alt="" /> I'll go to renderosity and write about it

"it" being [marquee directionleft]banana9 ___ h a p p p y ___ b i r t h d a y ___ p o s y __ a n d ___ a n g e l a ___ heartbeat heartbeat heartbeat [marquee] fireworks fireworks fireworks fireworks?

No sweetie <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> !

Thilda I am sorry that I said anything to blow this up and our guest was just being polite to point it out. I won't say anything more. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_eh.gif" alt="" />

No worries Kenny <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> , without knowing about this character, it's true that Thilda wouldn't know anything, but now we know that there is something wrong. No one would know that someone else used their work without asking for permission... (Keep an eye opened on Futura <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> )

I am not angry at you Kenny, i am angry at him. If he removes my morph, he can share the remapped version all he wants. It really gets to me that he didn't even ask for my permission.

P.S. Kenny, I can't see where is your fault <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> Thilda would notice her morph there even if you would have posted nothing here, she probably would have opened another thread about it...

How is the morph named? <br /> <br /> I also got a copy of the file and plan to include some of the morphs (those that will still work) on Nea 2 <br /> It is mostly shaping morphs in parts of the face Nea1 didn't get covered... <br /> I've already removed the morphs that had a name on the side (I guess copyrighted...)

The morph is called Tindra. The version i downloaded i got from the forum at rosity

<blockquote class="quote" cite="viewtopic.php?p=35427#p35427"><div class="quote-user">TdaC wrote: [<a href="#_somewhat" onclick="javascript:open_postreview('show_post.php?p=35427');" class="genmed">View Post</a>]</div><div class="post-text">He is using one of my morphs? wich one, where can i find this model and see for my self? In the readme to every freestuff submission i make i say u can not share it in any way shape or form and that it includes redistribution. Andreas if u betatested it before - why didn't u tell me about my morph? I hate this, this is why i stoped doing freestuff for awhile and if this is true - i don't see the point in doing freesutff at all.</div></blockquote> <br /> Thilda, I was as surprised as you when I dl this model at RR the day before and found your Tindra . <br /> He asked me to betatest, but I didn't respond to him. At that state the file didn't contain any morphs at all. <br /> If they would have been there, I would have informed you...

Thank you andreas, i think i read your message to quickly so i miss read it. <br /> Sorry

Andreas, I need to ask. Did you give permission for your morphs to be used in the distributed version prior to learning they are in there?

<blockquote class="quote" cite="viewtopic.php?p=35444#p35444"><div class="quote-user">pangor wrote: [<a href="#_somewhat" onclick="javascript:open_postreview('show_post.php?p=35444');" class="genmed">View Post</a>]</div><div class="post-text">Andreas, I need to ask. Did you give permission for your morphs to be used in the distributed version prior to learning they are in there?</div></blockquote> <br /> I have never been asked for permission about my morphs before, but by PitKlad recently, and I am proud to add some of my work to Nea 2. <br /> I know about at least one release, "AnyWoman V2" over at RRotica, that use my morphs without my permission and without any credit, in this case my BIG aniversary gift 2006. <br /> I don't care so much about these things as Thilda does. I think, as long as the distribution is free and the people add a little happyness to their lifes with it, it's o.k. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> <br /> But I also think, at least a credit in the readme and, in my case, a link to Posetteforever should be standard and simply good behaviour <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_eh.gif" alt="" />

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/TFR718 (6).gif" alt="" /> ... But I'm not happy about that behaviour <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_snooty.gif" alt="" /> , I'm more as Thilda's temper <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> , you're a very good man <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/notworthy.gif" alt="" />

I also did not know that <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/cussing.gif" alt="" /> didn't have Thilda and Andreas permission to use theirs stuff on his project. The RR staff would have to remove the chararcter from their free stuff area!

I think he will take out those morphs from the character and that's all.

I wish I knew which other head morphs are copyrighted too... I wouldn't like Nea2 to use them... <br /> <br /> I hope this goes well and everyone is happy at the end! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" />

<blockquote class="quote" cite="viewtopic.php?p=35448#p35448"><div class="quote-user">Tormie wrote: [<a href="#_somewhat" onclick="javascript:open_postreview('show_post.php?p=35448');" class="genmed">View Post</a>]</div><div class="post-text">I think he will take out those morphs from the character and that's all.</div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> I hope he would do it but until there they would have to remove the character with the MTs from their free stuff area.

Unless u have permission i would remove these morphs from the head: <br /> <br /> THe Lmouth morphs <br /> Linlin J <br /> Linlin wink R <br /> Linlinwink L <br /> Linlin blink R <br /> Linlin blink L <br /> Nene wink R3 <br /> Nenewink L3 <br /> Underlid R <br /> Underlid L <br /> eyebottom <br /> Alomondeye <br /> <br /> The morphs above have japanease creators and was offered as part of characters linlin and nene. <br /> <br /> <br /> Everything with a name, several of the name morphs belong to duane moody, other are from rendo free stuff. <br /> The klingon morph is ahjah's <br /> <br /> <br /> Lundernose - i recoginize it but don't know who the creator is. <br /> <br /> I think the remapp is a great idea. But i don't like the stealing of other ppl's creations. If he would have asked me, my reaction would have been very different. He would have been allowed to use all my morphs. But he choose to steal instead and therefore i don't want any of my stuff used in this. I wrote him a pm yesterday at rosity, and i have not gotten any reply - not in a pm, not in an email and not in the forum there.

All things with a name several of the name morphs belong to duane moody other are from rendo free stuff! I think I have been allowed to use all his or her morphs. Did they write back?

I recognized those morph too, I was remember that those are character names and removed them <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> <br /> Also I have removed character morphs because I want to keep only the shaping morphs... <br /> <br /> I have to agree that request for permission or at least credit is the only thing someone that makes a freebie deserves! <br /> <br /> I wasn't asked for permission but in Nea's readme I think I say her morphs are distributable, however the readme doesn't mention Nea at all... <br /> Anyway I didn't think of it negative because it is something new for Posette and found this positive...

Rather than complex, the bottom line is simple. On the read me file it should have all the legal stuff attached to <br /> it. Permission is asked by the rightful owner of the morph to be used. When declined the person must stop all efforts to work the morph into the character. If the second party gives permission and it is a free project of the first party then he or she will be made notice a credit to the read me file of the rightful owner of the morph. A time frame should be put up of a reasonable time of one year for a person to come forward to dispute a claim of theirs to that morph or a part or whole of their work in general. From that time it is the second parties soul purpose to be made aware of such claims. After 1 year has past the second party if they have not contacted the first party of the said project will be removed from there rights because of the time of non-contact. All parties involved in order to make this legal will have to type a release of rights over to the first party from the date the permission was granted. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> So how is that? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thank you Kenny <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/notworthy.gif" alt="" /> . Pitklad and Kenny , I understand what you mean: on the balance, a new character is more important than some legal stuff. However, talking of Posetteforever, we were strict on our TOS even if it costed a lot, also in terms of losing very expert users. But, as I wrote on rosity, it's not a project shared here so we're not involved if not that the morphs, like Thilda's one, has been downloaded from here and they were covered by the GNU licence (as pangor rightly wrote), and if a friend here asks for help for defending his or her work, I'll help. I think that including thirdy party morphs without asking for permission is simply provocative: I can't think the author is so stupid, that's why I don't want PF to be involved, I smell that it was done on purpouse. If you think about it, it would be very simple to include in the readme a list of morphs (with the relative link) to be included in the package, things like "Import Pitklad's Nea Morph with morph manager for best results" <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> ... <br /> <br /> For what concerns me, simpathy or not for the author, for Posy <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> and in general for all my Posettes I use Arduino's Eve with quasi-standard textures that I make myself. It would be no difference for me for the shape of the texture because I make it myself. I don't make "all" myself, there are a lot of cut & paste but I don't share anything.

Interesting. Did they write back?

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

Hi, the gue remapping the posette has now removed my morph - don't know about the others. He also apologized in the forum and in a pm. <br /> So on my part the case is closed. <br /> <br /> I still think though that it is best to use one's own creations.... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif" alt="" />

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/ayeah.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/ayeah.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/ayeah.gif" alt="" />

I totally agree with that! <br /> That's why I made all Nea 1 morphs form scratch and I will be very carefull which morphs from PosetteV3 I'll include on Nea 2! <br /> <br /> I'm happy everything gone well and hope this makes anyone else in the future more careful! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" />

I am going to have to disagree with you Thilda. But we have known each other for a while now so I think I can say this. Ok, here goes. If everyone felt that they should use their own models, morphs and things then there would not be any Poser. True fact. Poser doesn't do it all and some people are not as knowledgeable with Poser and other software to get things done. Which comes to people like us. PitKlad, Ahjah, you and I not to mention countless others out there who help people. You can never judge this mishap as a forever thing. That would be unfair to others. What I am saying is things happen and people do make real honest mistakes. But the good in others always seems to shine. We can't just stop. It is in our nature to always pick it up and keep on going. So in a nut shell, no caring, no sharing means no nothing. Without a care, see how long and boring Poser would be without sharing and think of all before us that did share. Ok you can throw the rotten tomatoes now. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" />

Ok, maybe i should have written it better. It is best to use one's own models when sharing stuff. It is not ok to share stuff that you do not have permission to share. It is not ok to share other ppls's creations without asking them and it is not ok to go against a readme that says do not redistribute. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> "You can never judge this mishap as a forever thing. That would be unfair to others. " <br /> I aggree that it is unfair to others. But this "mishap" It is not the first time someone has stolen something of mine and redistributed it, it is not the 2nd someone has done it or the 3rd, 4th, or the 5 time etc. It has happened several times. It is sad that someone chooses to ruin things for everyone else, but i am not to blame here, the thieves are. I don't choose to be unfair to the others, i choose to stand up for myself when someone is stealing from me. <br /> <br /> <br /> "What I am saying is things happen and people do make real honest mistakes." <br /> I don't think this was a mistake, i think he simply doesn't care. i think the only reason he backed off was because it was in his best intrest to do so, because the majority of the poser community thik it is wrong to steal. I think that he does know better and i know ppl have talked to him about copyright issues in the past when he has stolen from others and he didn't like it. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> "We can't just stop. It is in our nature to always pick it up and keep on going. " <br /> Yes and as the creator it is my right to choose how i will pick things up and how i will keep going. <br /> <br /> <br /> "So in a nut shell, no caring, no sharing means no nothing. Without a care, see how long and boring poser would be without sharing and think of all before us that did share" <br /> I am actually amazed that you say that to me. if what you mean is: that if i don't share my creations with others, i don't care and if i don't share it means nothing. And that i should think about those before me who did share.. <br /> I do think about those before me who shared their creations and those who do it now. I think is wrong to steal from them too. I am grateful that there are ppl in the poser community who are genrous with their creativity and time and how chooses to share for the benefit of thoers. I have created freebies partly because of that, partly because of what i think of the whole selling thing and partly for my own private reasons. <br /> <br /> About the sharing and caring part, kenny you have 1 item in the freestuff here, i have 37. I also have 23 freebies on another site. I have one tut in two forums on different sites teaching ppl how to make their own morphs. I have spent many hours teaching ppl privately about poser and morphing through pm:s, emails and chatts. I have created stuff especially for ppl who have asked me and those items are not up in forums since they were personal gifts. <br /> I have never charge any money for anything when it comes to being creative and sharing. The last part of your post offends me, because i have shared a lot more than you and i have helpted ppl more than you. So you should not be teaching me about sharing or caring. <br /> <br /> <br /> For me, this mess was over and i was going and still is going to let it rest. I am asking everyone here to just let this thread die.

As an admin of the site I should not take a side but I'll point only some things: <br /> <br /> The line of Posetteforever is to observe the TOS and rules that we gave to us and that are the "philosophy" of the site : No porn pictures, no stuff on sale, no advertising of things made for making money. Looking at them, there is nothing wrong or illegal in doing those things, I mean porns, money etc. , but this site has its own line. We had big fights in the past about these things and lost users that didn't agree. I shared only a little, a couple of morphs but I would become VERY angry if someone would use them in his or her own character without asking me first. I agree with Thilda, that person simply didn't care of stealing, he violated our site, took things and used them without caring of the licence, and what happened ? Yes, we have that V3 but probably Thilda won't share her works anymore or she won't be happy to share them to the public. Someone can say that this V3 is more important than a morph, well, <u> this is not the right place for rankings </u> , here there are no gurus and we're all the same, we respect everyone and all the rankings are disabled on the whole site, so I care exactly the same for a little morph and for a complete character. The cost that Posetteforever pays is to have only few members, but it is the philosophy of the site, in return the link between us friends is very strong. I've to apologize to pangor to be a little rude for the message he wrote on rosity. He said the right things but I didn't want to spend the name of Posetteforever in this things preferring to help the authors like Thilda privately, but he was right and what is done is done. <br /> <br /> I'm very sad to see you quarrel my friends, I'm not a religious man but if I would be a priest I would have replied that the right answer is in the bible, and the bible in this case, are our TOS. i hope (but not sure) that things will go to normal (mess) soon.

My opinion on sharing stuff is, I do it for fun (and a little honour <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> ) <br /> As soon as I release a freebie, I'm aware it starts it's own life. <br /> It's a little like having children. They grow up and as parents you have to let them go their own way one day. You can't keep them under control and your care forever. Also, children don't turn out the way, their parents expect in most cases. We love them, anyway. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> <br /> Of course, I like to be asked before. Of course I love to be credited, but... <br /> I don't want to bother with this too much, cos, when I start bothering, the fun dis appears. <br /> So we should never forget, we do it for fun and happyness, my friends. Don't take it all too serious... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/TFR718 (6).gif" alt="" />

Thank you for sharing your opinion with me, ahjah. I will tell my botmaster. Kids are cool.

You're right Posy. Kids are the coolest <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" />