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I and Andreas saw dtracy1 too! He is smart enough and have the time to find new style. That story of nazis and Her Tormentor reminds me a old PM from him and the Gojira avatar made the rest. At last I am a cop! I need to go to work!

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> <br /> it's not dtracy1, it's dtacy1, he's clean because he has an email from <a class="post-url" href="http://www.tacy.org" target="_blank">www.tacy.org</a> maybe he is his owner. <br /> <br /> Actually I allow access only to people who can provide an email from an ISP or a domain name different from free email providers like yahoo, gmail, msn etc. I'm checking everyone, it's not so much a pain, only2 to 4 per day

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> All of us three was writing in the same time! dtacy1! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> Speaking about being paranoid... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" />

<blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-user">TdaC";p="25376 wrote: </div><div class="post-text">well, i'm a woman - checks in mirror to make sure <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> and what do i think. Well i do have a naked dork with genital showing in the gallery. And 2 pics i think of an embrace with naked dork and posette. THe last 2 are meant as romantic and not erotic or porno. <br /> I say no to photos of real ppls's genitals, naked kids or kids(3d or real) in erotic poses or with seethrough clothing, pornpix, 3dppl having sex with other 3dppl or animals or objects. THe reason for the no sex with animals is because i was surfing the net looking for new 3dsites and came across a site with that, without even warning ppl. I definently say no to that. <br /> <br /> <br /> THe problem is that it's all subjective, the artist might see something else than the viewer/s do.... IT's all in the context of the image.</div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> Well... I am not a woman also checks... But I agree with Thilda the problem is not the nudity itself but the context of the image. I review her pics and some of mine and I can see nothing pornografic or erotic with them. Thilda's pics are so romantic that only a very sick person can called them pornografic her Dork frontal nudity my pics and Deviant Viking would be rated 14 years old pics in Brazil. A pratical problem is that I don't know a way to make rules for too subjective thing! <br /> <br /> Here we rated movies and pics that way. <br /> <br /> 0-5 years - No nudity or violence <br /> <br /> 5-10 - Don't show frontal nudity or lower backside no blood. <br /> <br /> 10-13 - No genitals erotic poses and no gore or extreme blood. <br /> <br /> 14-18 - No sex or extrem erotic poses (someone touching the genitals) no gore <br /> <br /> 18 and up - Adult themes <br /> <br /> The problem is that Brazil is a liberal society and something what looks harmless for me can be offensive for other cultures people eyes! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> For these questions I think that Pangor had a great idea with the Testing Gallery. It a good way to make a group consensus about a Pic or Photo!

In "Gojira" words "The names we choose for ourselves say alot about us - I think . . ." <br /> <br /> Den Tracy avatar was a junior version of Godzilla! How I could be so dull! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_wall.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_wall.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> Davide... <br /> <br /> Did you banned Bonnie IP address too? <br /> <br /> Today I lunch with a friend who is a Brazilian Federal Judge and we commented our "Borg Problem" and she spoke: <br /> <br /> My suspicion about the "Borg Group" ID and all what I spoke about the avatars names characters etc are not a "Smoking Gun" but is enough to make her emits a order to check Den's PC if it was in Brazil and something illegal was happened. <br /> <br /> I also spoke to her about the pics and Album Rules and she told me that under Brazilian Laws VonFranck pics can be of "bad taste" but are not illegal but she is not permit them if she was the webmaster.

I don't think it is Den. I had talked with him awhile back and he said that it was water under the bridge. Now I know some will say Yah Right. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> But you have to let go sometimes and I think it has. He has posted on Planit 3D and PoserPro. People still love him there which is a good thing. All of us got the best of both worlds there. Moving along with other matters here. I want to treat this as a one time thing. As for nudity I really don't have a problem for it. Even if you look deep into my saying and I quote "There is no wrong or right. It's just art." unquote. We have women here. TdaC,GP,Messenger and a few others not to mention as guest that come here to see the art. I am not trying to say that this falls under the rules with your work Davide. I'm simply saying where do we draw the line. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> Both of those pictures I laugh at till I had tears coming out of my eyes. If we took those out then I'm afraid there would go the personality of the artist and the fun. I think we have forgotton how to have fun like we used too. We are to worried about what people might think and we hide on our best behavour so know one will think of use as a bad person. When the new people came here we welcomed them and then it was almost like a take over. PF was slowly becomeing a place for them and their needs. Not what the site was for and that was for Posy and human as well as background modeling 3D site. We have to get back to the roots of this place. We don't need rules, just be ourselves. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> All of us until now have built our work of art without anyones complaint. Now here comes a new guy that will never be happy or has been thrown out of countless sites puts this kind of art as a test to us. What do we want to do? Make one happy or offend all the others till it makes this site shut down. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/very_sad.gif" alt="" /> I agree with Pangor. From now on a person joins to be a member let them know up front the rules. Make them check agree or diagree. Any pictures in violation get placed in the Test area. Mods get called on. They just check in a box yes or no. Know one knows for sure who voted yes or no to avoid disagreement between the Mods which makes this very fast to get the job done. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_dance.gif" alt="" /> So with that said I rest with this and I am going to the front porch and screw in another light, turn it on and welcome those who where looking for a place like we where back then. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

Forgive Kenny! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_pray.gif" alt="" /> But English is not my prime language too. I never think in Den as a bad person only think in all of this mess as a "Hallowen Joke" made for him. As I post before the "Borg Group" did not do anything illegal! <br /> <br /> I also agree with you about nudity and I don't think that Davide or any other in the Album pic need to be deleted.

One word about Den Tracy. It wasn't him John, essentially because it's not his style. Even if his behaviour was bad with PF I still think that it's due to his temper and an attitude to violence hidden under the skin. I thought at him like Donald Duck, essentially a good man but he can become angry easily. At least he had not stability in his mind, but I really hope that things are changed for him in the meanwhile and that he has found the right group of fan elsewhere, In any case I think that nor him nor his wife will come here again, because of their pride. <br /> <br /> Actually I find that the new procedure for the new members (I have to approve each one of them) works well. I check the email of the user and go to the domain. <br /> If it is a domain of a free email service I delete the account and send a message to the user saying that free email services are not allowed and that I deleted the account so that he/she can apply again. This procedure will discourage to create multiple accounts using different emails. I'll work at an alternative system in the weekend, I'll add the domains of the free email services to the ban list or I'll search for a suitable modification to the software that does it (I remember that it exists). However doing it manually is not such a pain for me <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_liar.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_liar.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_liar.gif" alt="" /> ... <br /> <br /> For the album, Kenny's words are very wise and the special galelry made by pangor is the right solution for the future. I'll check but I'm pretty sure that also the moderators could move a picture from a gallery to another, if not I'll find a way, so that we can do what's necessary if one of us is online... <br /> <br /> Some basic rules should be written anyway...

Funny, that we thought of the same idea about the hidden gallery at the same time. Thilda, I also saw dtacy and checked the profile, it does look clean to me too, without further checking. <br /> <br /> I considered that maybe it could be Den or mizrael, I compared some details and could not get any solid proof of either person. <br /> <br /> Pangor

I have asked Thorne for his permission to post the following here as a sample for our discussion. He have given me the permission. This is the full set of gallery rules that he wrote for FaerieWylde, and as I recall, with Thorne's Permission Gav used it at FaerieTop, before the hacker/cracker brought that site down. <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-nouser">Quote:</div><div class="post-text"> <br /> The rules for posting images here are simple and to the point, and apply to all subjects, regardless of apparent age. We do NOT want to censor your artistic freedom, but we DO want everyone to feel comfortable posting here: <br /> <br /> 1. No lewd display of genitals <br /> <br /> 2. No sexual contact; no sexual displays of any kind <br /> <br /> 3. No rape or torture of any creature, living or dead. <br /> <br /> 4. No nude photographs of minors or images apparently derived from nude photographs of minors <br /> <br /> 5. The end <br /> <br /> We also ask that in consideration of others, you declare in the subject heading of your post if an image contains nudity. If you are uncertain whether your image is suitable for this forum, please contact an administrator for approval. We're pretty laid back here; just be nice, okay? <br /> </div></blockquote>

The shadow picture, well it is like an ink blot test what it shows depends on the viewer. (My first thought was that it was a shadow of something he was holding, like a flashlight or a rolling pin. It was not until some time latter when I starting thinking of what else it could be. The bath tub picture is no problem for me. <br /> <br /> I was unfamilar with Thilda's picture, so I located it in the album. "The faun" Once again no problem. In the context of the overall work, it may be close to the line, but it has not crossed it. <br /> <br /> Thinking back on Mizrael's picture that we had to act on, that one did cross the line. <br /> <br /> Based on these i believe that we need to not concentrate so much on the content of the image as much as how <b>we interpret</b> the context and intent of its composition. <br /> <br /> Based on this and what has been said by all so for, I will post a first draft of a revision for everyone to consider. <br /> <br /> Pangor

I looked into an IP address that the Gojira gang shared. I can not say that they did anything illegal, but they did violate the AUP/TOS of the ISP that the address belongs to. <br /> <br /> Pangor

What about underarm and pubic hair? Is that an issue? <br /> <br /> <br /> Should there be a modification to the rules about invalid usernames to prohibit usernames that sound like real people, the registering member can prove that is his name? Or should such usernames be prohibited no matter what? <br /> <br /> I am not talking about first names or last names for usernamesm or names of fictional characters. <br /> <br /> I am thinking names like Christopher, Lee, Robert, CLee, El Cid, Zorro, Don Diego De La Vega are fine. While names like Christopher Lee, William Taylor, Bob Gilmore, etc are not acceptable. <br /> <br /> Pangor

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> This rule about usernames can easily be avoided, I can say that my name is Robert de Niro but I'm not the actor... In any case the best thing is to stop for the future the new registration made using free email services, using a "classic" email from an isp means that the user could be easily targeted and he/she is discouraged from doing things like the "borg group" did. <br /> <br /> I'm working on it, actually I activate the accounts manually, in the next future with an automatic procedure.

<blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-user">pangor";p="25412 wrote: </div><div class="post-text">I looked into an IP address that the Gojira gang shared. I can not say that they did anything illegal, but they did violate the AUP/TOS of the ISP that the address belongs to. <br /> <br /> Pangor</div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> Well because my work I know some Federal Judges and told our problems with Gojira gang to one of them. She told me that the only one who had broke Brazilian Law was "VonFranck" when "he" called Thilda Nazi. If "he" was a Brazilian or be on Brazil when wrote this have to prove that Thilda is a member of the Nazi Party of can be sentenced to pay her ten thousand Euros or go to jail for five months. Unhappyly for Thilda new computer this is not a International Law and we do not go to Interpol for "he". <br /> <br /> "They don't cause any damage to the site solfware or used their multiple identity to get illicit profit like made a purchase on site shop with a card in name of "Robert De Niro". As I posted before VonFranck pics can be of "bad taste" but their are not illegal to Brazilian or International Laws! <br /> <br /> But if they violate the AUP/TOS of the ISP we can warn the staff to them!

<blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-user">Tormentor";p="25414 wrote: </div><div class="post-text"><img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> This rule about usernames can easily be avoided, I can say that my name is Robert de Niro but I'm not the actor... In any case the best thing is to stop for the future the new registration made using free email services, using a "classic" email from an isp means that the user could be easily targeted and he/she is discouraged from doing things like the "borg group" did. <br /> <br /> I'm working on it, actually I activate the accounts manually, in the next future with an automatic procedure.</div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> I have to agree. The best form to avoid more "Borgs" is forbid free email services the most of Brazilian Forums do it!

<blockquote class="quote"><div class="quote-user">pangor";p="25410 wrote: </div><div class="post-text">The shadow picture, well it is like an ink blot test what it shows depends on the viewer. (My first thought was that it was a shadow of something he was holding, like a flashlight or a rolling pin. It was not until some time latter when I starting thinking of what else it could be. The bath tub picture is no problem for me. <br /> <br /> I was unfamilar with Thilda's picture, so I located it in the album. "The faun" Once again no problem. In the context of the overall work, it may be close to the line, but it has not crossed it. <br /> <br /> Thinking back on Mizrael's picture that we had to act on, that one did cross the line. <br /> <br /> Based on these i believe that we need to not concentrate so much on the content of the image as much as how <b>we interpret</b> the context and intent of its composition. <br /> <br /> Based on this and what has been said by all so for, I will post a first draft of a revision for everyone to consider. <br /> <br /> Pangor</div></blockquote> <br /> <br /> I agree with all of Pangor post one of two too pics had closed to the Mizrael's! However unhappyly I had to transfer the fist the first pic to the testing gallery. One of the mine! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> Friends when I post it I was thinking that it was harmless and it was used to illustrated a free age Brazilian SF Magazine! My appologies if I upset someone and I will delete it with you think better.

I would like to point out one thing about this. This is not to say to you my friend that you don't have money, but it goes out to people that really lac funds to pay for Poser clothes. So they post them nude to get a little bit of worth out of the software they bought or not understanding for the first time just how to put clothes on a Poser. In JRs picture it should be left up to the Mods and not the person who is the artist. Like for instance JR you made a picture like you have and you see now for the first time that it may not be right with the rules. Well look how long it has taken for someone to see it and it needs to be left up to the Mod to see if it is right for the gallery. Its like I have said, in other countries people react to art diffirent. Then people start by being to harsh on themselves when all along the rules where in place for them. If we get to carried away with rules of what has just happened, then people like Johnny will react to things like this and pull there work out left to right. There for It should be under the artists care when upload takes place. From that time after it should be the Mods worry. An artist should take pride in his or her work. Not worry about it. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

You are a good friend Kenny and also have a great brain and a larger heart! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> I never think on that picture as something wrong ou ugly. I always will have a pride of it as I have of all my works. I will not delete it from my HDs it and I am not thinking that I never had do it on that way. I am not angry with myself or judgegind my art. I was only thinking that I need to reminds it to all of you as Thilda made with hers.

I know that we have a delicate point with the subjetive view of the art. It is more delicate when we are looking from the eyes of people who came from differents countries and cultures. It always be a difficult thing. But one of the reasons what I post my work here is know what people from others countries and cultures think about. And if a cross some line I want that you my friends <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> tell me it! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> Nothing is more follish or sick that thinking know what all Humanity have to think when are seeing our works. I belive that all of us are here on Earth to learn and I enjoy myself learning with you even in bad times! <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" />

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

There is so much great art in the album that I have yet to see. This one is one of those that I have not seen before. I see nothing wrong with it, it is a beautiful work of art. That is why we have to be careful in how any rules are written, so as to not discourage good art like this. I am tempted to move it back to the main album right now. <br /> <br /> But I will leave the choice up to you. Do you want to put this picutre up for a poll vote? or would you rather withdraw the picture from consideration and move it back to the gallery were it was before? My opinion is move it back. <br /> <br /> There is a danger that given time we may start going too far. <br /> <br /> Yesterday, I was reviewing some of my artworks (that have already been uploaded) to review how light setting affected some skin textures. I noticed a small detail in one of them that I had not noticed before, (that is what got be wondering about pubic hair in images). For a moment I was thinking that perhaps I should submit that picuture for review, then I took a short break. When I came back to my computer the picutere was still on the screen. I viewing the picture again with the eye twords beauty and not a technical analysis I was saw it for the beauty and joy that it presents and I remembered what was in my mind when I created it and more important, what was NOT in my mind at that time. That is when I realized how far we could go down a dark path. Let us not permit, the loss of our vision for beauty and joy in our works be the, lasting legacy of the Gojira gang presence at Posetteforever. <br /> <br /> Here is the picture that I was reviewing that I found the little detail in, <br /> <br /> [img:60bab4d4b0]http://www.posetteforever.com/data/1019/1255VirginaPS1_32_Dance_4-thumb.jpg[/img:60bab4d4b0] <br /> <a class="post-url" href="http://www.posetteforever.com/showphoto.php?photo=2367">Virgina First Sitting Part 32 - Dance 4</a> <br /> <br /> Pangor

There's nothing wrong with that picture John ! The context is just very clean ! <br /> <br /> Friends, we are talking about perverted and/or doubtful meaning pictures ! The pictures that I've deleted showed genitals not because the context of the picture needed them but the genital themselves were the main "character" (hard to explain...). Being "hard" and shocking was the purpose for doing it, it was not like the penis of David (of Michelangelo of course, not mine <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> ) as "vonfranck" said. That penis was there because the model was a man, the sculpture was not based on schoking the people for the penis. <br /> <br /> Actually I wasn't shocked and saw the picture only after a complain, but the close ups of the genitals and the real persons naked pushed me to delete the picture. <br /> <br /> In the past I've done the same with one of Deviant Viking pic and he understood with no problems, a matter of how a person have a brain or not... <br /> <br /> I think non of "our" pictures are made for shocking the viewer with nudity

I have been trying to put that idea into words and you have done better than my attempts. It so not so much the content of the image as the context in which that content is presented and that is what is hard to describe in any set of rules. So I have written and discarded a couple of drafts and started over again. The other hard part is how to expound on what is not acceptable without giving ideas to problem members to try to test or subvert. <br /> <br /> When I go to a new site I lurk their gallery for a while to see my works are acceptable by both the written rules and existing artworks in the gallery. If in doubt, even if I think the issue in question is silly, I will ask those in charge of the site or the gallery as appropriate. I know that others do that too, what I can not understand is why people like Vonfranck and Mizrael insist on testing the limits and then become angy when the learn that they have crossed it. <br /> <br /> Pangor

I had time to saw lots of the album pic and none are like "VonFranck Grouchos" or "Mizreal Male Pole Dancers"! I transfered that pic to Testing Gallery none because it is the only one with nude children I can find! I agree that only a very sick person can see anything perverted in it!

Ok, actually I've deleted my "shadow on the wall" picture because it was too much on the edge...

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> ... these "scissors in brain" and other self censorship stuff scares me... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_eh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/very_sad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_naughty.gif" alt="" />

I understand what you mean Andreas, I put a "final" phrase on the front page for guests (I found it on another site) "We are a family web site so posting of adult style content is forbidden". We've tried to find the limit and because it has been told to me that probably that picture was out of the limit I removed it... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> Maybe it should be better to leave the decision to the staff group even if it was a picture of mine <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> . I see if I can save it from the backup of the site...

Ok, I found and restored it on a backup, but I left out the thumbnail, however I move it to the testing gallery for your opinion, please... <br /> <br /> (I found the situation half comic and half embarassing...lol)

In keeping with how we were testing the handling of this sort of issue, I have started a new topic with a 7-day poll to register opinions about this picture. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Thank you pangor