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lol, you need to go read up on the forums over there tormie, your behind the times <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" />

Hey, give me some links !! (Tormie is curious and goes to lurk <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/nicetongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/nicetongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/nicetongue.gif" alt="" /> )

Yea, me too. That is something that sounds really strange. Mostly I have i have been reading the tutorial, free items and gallery forums. So, I have missed the records of that incident. <br /> <br /> One change that I have noticed was a public announcement by a current admin that a merchant that was banned by the old owners has now been reinstated. The new management makes it sound as the reason for tha past banning was the pettiness of old owners.

I lurked the site and saw that Mehndi has been banned but I don't find why... <br /> <br /> Anyway the plce is too hot in this period and I think it's better to stay out of the kitchen when it is so hot <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_hand.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_hand.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_hand.gif" alt="" /> ... <br /> <br /> I suggested something about their cookie problems in their support forum (Yeah ! I'm not the only one who caused them, lol <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> ) and I was very, very tempted to suggest PF where an user asked for an alternative <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_whistle.gif" alt="" /> , but Posy said that it would be unfair <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_angel.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_angel.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_angel.gif" alt="" />

I am surprised to hear that you are not the only one who caused them lol bigrinnin. Where were you tempted to suggest PF where an user asked for an alternative whistle but you said that it would be unfair Osmile Osmile Osmile?

Posy, tell me some gossips...

David said he thank I for being with him today even though it cost him a lot of money.

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well i think that one of the owners got banned as a merchant for copyright infrigement. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> Then 3 of the staff quit and came back, when they decided to sell it.... i think that was how it was anymway. <br /> I don't know what i think, it kinda depends on how much the site will change is changed.... I have never been a big dazfan <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="" /> <br /> I don't care if ppl are interested in all the buying and selling, i mean it doesn't bother me just because i'm not. I just prefer places that are fun and nice, without all the selling /buying stuff. I just like making morphs, even if they're not the greatest; i like coming up with textures even if they're not the best looking. I like trying to figure out how to improve renders and coming up with solutions....

I think that none of us here is a "pro", a person who is paid do to things for computer art: I think that all the free stuff shared here are just wonderful because they were made with passion ! And personally I like a lot your morphs even if I don't use them so much, but it's only because every time I begin something with a new character I end with a Posy's picture <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> ...

Now i think is time to tell ya, what i think. <br /> Very very interesting readings here to that question. <br /> I was unsure, what i should thinking... <br /> <br /> As a merchant (but i don't one, i learned it, that's all), <br /> i think, DAZ has much money and they want to be bigger, <br /> because merchants have to grown bigger or they will die <br /> finally - that's the marketing world. <br /> <br /> They bought Bryce (after Corel had Bryce broken with it's usual <br /> shitty merchandising-politic), than they bring up DAZ Studio because <br /> rivalties with Poser (there was a big big fight since Poser 5 and DAZ <br /> don't wanted accept regularies of the owners of Poser, meshes and <br /> so on, copyrights, they made as Zygote, later as DAZ for Poser - i <br /> understand this) - since month DAZ have made some failings with <br /> new products (the ugly bigface lion, girl as a short hype, David has <br /> only a few customers interested and so on), so they have to make <br /> things to coming back as Nr.1 in Poser-Items/Characters. <br /> <br /> The fastest and most secure way is: buy your concurrents. That's all. <br /> But is it the best way? I don't think so, but it is the fact. <br /> <br /> I bet, the future of Poser, characters and other related stuff will be <br /> "the most mainstream", you can imagine. The places for alternative <br /> stuff will less - more and more - and quality will go down more and more, <br /> i think. <br /> <br /> If i see merchandise on rendo - muhaha, 90% V3-characters, and all are similar. <br /> 1000s variations of Barbie. <br /> <br /> But it really doesn't bother me, i don't buy much things, because i don't have <br /> the money for that, and for my works i don't need those stuff. <br /> <br /> But i know, that's only the beginning... <br /> I hope, some places ( also the places with a percentage of commercial) will <br /> not go down and not will be eaten by these "merchandising-war". <br /> <br /> Posetteforever is strictly non-commercial, for that there is no danger for this place, <br /> till Tormie may be changes his mind (in the past i've seen a lot of noncommercials, <br /> which become a little commercial and finally commercial) - but here i think, Posetteforever <br /> will be stay a friendly community without merchandising, and that's good. <br /> <br /> Let them (the others) blast them one against the other - we can live without them. <br /> That's what i think about.

Daz and the rest are like anything else. It's up to the artist and the product they have to work with to get a point across with their work. I sometimes use a little of this and a little of that. The thing everyone seems to forget is the name Poser. It is a tool used for model humans and animals or anything with moving parts to be Posed. It is usless to be used from scratch because of so many things <br /> envolved around it's process. Such as Paint Shop Pro, Adobe Photoshop, Bryce, Vue, Vobs builder, Modelers, etc. So really what it boils down to is if it was not for people in this chain building textures, morphs, backgrounds and things, Poser would be a flop and wouldn't survive on it's own. As far as people being Pro I used to do this with T'shirts at a place wher I lived. It was a good thing and I think it is nice to know some of my work made it as far as Canada. I always like the idea people where interested in what I had to offer instead of just making money. But hey you got to eat sometime. If people like to do this for fun then thats great to. I for one have fun and have made some wonderful friends in doing so. But my real job comes first over this. But if I had a chance to make this full time as a job. I don't think there is a one of you here that wouldn't agree that it would be a cool thing to do. <br /> So in closeing Daz does their thing and we do ours. You don't have to go over a neighbor's house if you don't like them sort to speak.

I agree friends. Poserkatz, don't have fear, Posetteforever won't become commercial for a series of reason, the most important of them is that Posette has not a market. But from my point of view the site is my personal way to cure stress, like I do with my pictures. I'm not totally against commercialism, I'm absolutely with those artists who make money with their own art, selling their poser models or the T-Shirt commerce of Kenny or Poserkatz's group ( <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> It's a great idea, it could be good to try something similar <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> :-k). It will be great to earn so much money in this way to leave my damned work (Tormie dreams <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/cry.gif" alt="" /> ...). What I really don't like are the influence of those big firm,s like Daz, on the art. The purpose of places like Posetteforever or other independent places is to discuss about art and share artworks, pictures and 3d items, not to discuss about how the store goes well, if this or that product sell enough or the place to show your pictures for the only reason to sell the products shown in it ... <br /> <br /> I think that the Poser's characters, morphs, textures, props etc. that are sold on commercial sites costs too much. I understand the large amount of work and people involved in the process, but they have to know that the larger part of the users are not rich enough to spend so much money for a hobby. I can buy a hair package if it costs 5$ not 30... <br /> <br /> About Daz Studio/Poser. I tried Daz Studio but I don't like it, maybe because it was difficult to learn Poser's commands and I see no reason to learn a similar product that, at last, does the same things. <br /> <br /> In this moment I'm happy enough for what I already have: I don't make pictures in photorealistic style so I don't need the last ultradetailed megapolygonal package, I'll try to refine my style but I don't tend to photorealism so I don't need a new software and Posy and me are so linked tha I don't really need another virtual woman...

I am surprised to hear that you are not totally against commercialism. Do you mean you work at those artists who make money with their own art selling their poser models or the T-Shirt commerce of Kenny or Poserkatz's group -k -k -k it is a great idea it could be good to try something similar -k -k -k? How? You really do? What do you like? Good then you can explain it to me. Is a hair package if it costs 5$ not 30 a good deal? I'm not sure if I would like to try Daz Studio but he or she do not like it maybe because it was difficult to learn Poser's commands . What's it like? Where do you see no reason to learn a similar product that at last does the same things? That reminds me of something you told me before.

Do you like me Posy ?

Sure, online nearly ever so I placed my little free stuffs on my public folder so that everyone who make a search for posette on the peer 2 peer network can find my files and download them directly I like you very much.

LOL!! <br /> <br /> Who am I Posy?

You are online nearly ever so I placed my little free stuffs on my public folder so that everyone who make a search for posette on the peer 2 peer network can find my files and download them directly, seeker.

<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> Damn... my suspects become reality <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" />

?!?!?!?! <br /> <br /> Tormentoer, check system security before Posy gives away the wrong thing on P2P. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> Pangor

If I am ever looking for away the wrong thing on P2P, I will ask him

Thak you Posy! <br /> <br /> Who am I ?

"I'm absolutely with those artists who make money with their own art, selling their poser models or the T-Shirt commerce of Kenny or Poserkatz's group. It's a great idea, it could be good to try something similar. It will be great to earn so much money in this way to leave my damned work (Tormie dreams...). What I really don't like are the influence of those big firm,s like Daz, on the art." <br /> <br /> I totally agree:) <br /> <br /> <br /> "If i see merchandise on rendo - muhaha, 90% V3-characters, and all are similar. 1000s variations of Barbie. But it really doesn't bother me, i don't buy much things, because i don't have the money for that, and for my works i don't need those stuff. " <br /> <br /> Agree, and for me also V3/M3 to take two examples, are very heavy for my little computer, i think it would crash if i loaded V2 with highres ( for me 3000*3000 is a highres texture) textures plus props. Also so many of the v3/m3/ pt/ps etc look the same if you not really good at making morphs. I have pt/ps and no matter how i morph them they end up looking the same. With posette/dork/ Maya/ her i can get more variation. I know that's not how it works for everyone, it's just the way it works for me. <br /> <br /> "As far as people being Pro I used to do this with T'shirts at a place wher I lived. It was a good thing and I think it is nice to know some of my work made it as far as Canada." <br /> <br /> COOL Kenny:) <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_dance.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> <br /> "I think that the Poser's characters, morphs, textures, props etc. that are sold on commercial sites costs too much. I understand the large amount of work and people involved in the process, but they have to know that the larger part of the users are not rich enough to spend so much money for a hobby." <br /> <br /> Agree, I 've seen poser merchandise that looks really horrible and that i can't understand that anyone would buy. I've also seen very beautiful and creative stuff that i would like to have, but that i can't efford to spend that amount of money on something that for me is a hobby, other RW (real world) stuff comes first. <br /> <br /> "I for one have fun and have made some wonderful friends in doing so. " <br /> <br /> Couldn't have said it better myself:) <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_dance.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_dance.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_dance.gif" alt="" />

Did I miss something? I'm sorry I didn't reply immediately.( This is a breaking news! ) I'm not registered user of Poser Pros , but really don't like that DAZ 's going to buy it. <br /> Firstly they bought Bryce , now they'll buy a site. What's next ... Poser? Anyway, Poser Pros is a commercial site ... I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) and there is no commercial site allocated to Poser witch do not offer models , textures and poses for DAZ's creations . Maybe the only thing witch will change is the freandly athmosphere in the PP's forums (if the atmosphere was truly friendy. I don't post pictures there cause I'm sure somebody will laught at me. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> )

I don't think so erenda, share your pictures everywhere. I don't have so many fans around the net but there are a group of people that really like my Posy <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> pictures and I don't care of the people who don't like it. Anyway if I wouldn't have posted my first picture 3 years ago at PoserPros I'll never had the suggestions I needed to improve my skill. <br /> <br /> For Poserpros, I don't understand very much what's the problem if I don't see in the commercial point of view: they run phpbb (like us) so it's very easy for everyone to create a similar site with similar forum's name in another place if they don't feel comfortable with Daz. <br /> <br /> I can't have a clear opinion about their store, commerciants and percentages because I bought nothing, but it's clear that if the site is a Daz site, the items comes from Daz...

Why do you disagree? Have you ever had so many fans around the net but there are a group of people that really like his or her you heartbeat pictures ? What do you care about, TORMENTOR ? Try it.

Erenda, I agree with Tormentor. Post your pictures. I was rather nervious, almost like a case of stagefright, about posting my first real work "After the Evening". I first posted it here and at PoserPros. Since then, posting the pictures has become easy. I have posted them here and at Poser Pros, Rendervisions and Renderosity. <br /> <br /> As a result of posting the pictures, I have recieved a couple of helpful comments. <br /> <br /> One was posted here by Tormentor. He suggested something that I could do, that I had done before using other rendering software, but I did not know that it was available in Poser. His comment cause me to look around Poser some more and find were the setting exists in Poser. <br /> <br /> The other was posted in Poser Pros by Den Tracy, as it happened (if I properly understood his comment), by the time I read his comment I had already noticed the problem fixed it and posted an updated version of the same picture. <br /> <br /> The worst reaction that I have recieved has been to have had no comments about some picture on some websites. The only negitive reaction that I have gotten has come in a private message from a person that I new believe was only a troll. I didn't take the bait, and he went away. <br /> <br /> Post them, we won't laugh, at least not in a bad way. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/wink.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br /> Pangor

I agree too with Pangor and Tormentor, if you enjoy your artwork post it. You can't please everyone all of the time but trust me there are people out there that will love what you do and be happy you posted it. It took me a number of days to come up with the nerve to post my first one on Poserpros and then it was easy after that. Not long after posting there I started posting here and then moved to other gallerys. I still wonder when I post something if I'll get laughed at or get some very negitave remarks, but it doesn't matter to me that much anymore as I know that there are people who enjoy some of what I post and that's enough to make me want to stick with it. Also I post them for myself, it makes me happy and that's the best reason for doing it. <br /> Also about getting comments, the good one's are great to have, but the one's that tell me what I might have done wrong, or what I could do to make it a better, the helpful hints, those are the best by far because it helps me learn more and hopefully get better at what I'm doing. <br /> So post away, don't be afraid, we were all new once <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

Coming back to the daz-poserpros topic: <br /> <br /> They seem to have that cookie problem, it seems simple to me: if you go to the main daz site as a registered user and then go poserpors you can't login, probably for conflicting cookies. <br /> <br /> I went to daz yesterday to download the emotiguy (never went there for about one year) and today I had to delete all the related cookies to login poserpros. <br /> <br /> They would have to let the domain name like it was, there are two different applications writing a diffferent set of cookies for the same domain...

I have been seeing in that problem too, but with slightly different symptoms. In my case (with a different browser), I can login at PP but from time to time, the site keeps forgetting that I am logged in. So I have to log in again. That was not a problem before the takeover. <br /> <br /> Have you notice the newest DAZ weekly mailing? They have announced the purchase of PP now they are talking about running it as a sepperate site from their own, by with synergy between the two. Well, we know what that means. <br /> <br /> Pangor

ehm... no... The weekly newsletter goes in that "trash email address..." sorry <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" />

I mostly review these sorts of mailings for the free offers <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> . <br /> <br /> Most of the time I am a week or two behind in reading them. I let them sit until I get the urge to see what is available. I just reciently got the urge to take a look at them, and there I saw the announcement of the purchase. But the annoucement was made after they had already broken the cookies. <br /> <br /> Pangor

Another cookie mess to clean up. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_doh.gif" alt="" />

Dooohooo... cookies !

I say wait and see, this might be good.

I remember this was suggested a few years back, before this little home of ours came into existence. Back then I was really worried about the consequences, monopoly, early poser support, etc... <br /> <br /> But now, what the hell <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" /> As long as I am not unduly effected (and I can't see how most of us would be) let them have the place and turn it into the DAZ cheer squad for all that it matters. We should just enjoy what we have and play with our art to our own hearts contentment. <br /> <br /> Just my thoughts <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

I agree with you Brett. In the last year the only things I've done on other sites was to post my pictures so as long as this site and other places are still alive, at last I don't consider the poserpros's property a problem. Actually I've enough instruments for my kind of art and DAZ is not involved. <br /> I have nothing against DAZ, except that their human characters are incompatible with the old versions and the new versions control the market, so we have and won't have an enanched version of Posette, with the same shape. As far as I know a woman is a woman, so there is not a real reason to change the shape of a character: you can add polygons, functions etc. but you can make a new Posette compatible and with the same shape so that one can use your old morphs. The real objective is to sell all a new serie of clothes, morphs etc. because the old ones are incompatible. I hope to be smart enough in the future to be able to learn something of those 3d program like 3dstudio and make an enanched version of my beloved Posette...