Today I had to disable access to two of the download items.  This is of two texture packages for use on the Poser 4 version of Posette that were uploaded by a new member named Plus3D.  
 
They are renaming and repackaging of the textures created Staale, with possible minor modifications.  Yet they are listed in our downloads data base as the creation of Plus3D.
 
Staale, the copyright owner has placed specific provisions in the licensing of the textures that that they and any derived textures can only be distributed under certain conditions, those condition are not compatible with their inclusion in the Posetteforever downloads.  It is possible that special provisions have been granted to Plus3D by Staale, if so that needs to be documented.  To determine if this is the case, I have contacted Staale about this to determine their legal status.
 
The textures in this issue are  Ana for Posette  and Realistic Posette texture
 
Once we hear from Staale we will know to return the files to download with notation of special permission or to delete them as violations.

Maybe what we need to do is ask the one who modified the texture if that was indeed granted by the original owner? If you do that by contacting the original owner and stopping the download after the person was so kind to put it here and the person was in the right by a granted permission, they might be offended by this quick action.

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Two wrongs don't make a right.
But six left turns will get you around the block
and back in the driveway again.

It says on the texture that as long as the name of the original creator is written on the texture and the name of who modified it is written on the texture it is ok to redistribute freely, as long as you follow the rules written on the texture.

Plus3d has followed the rules, until she uploaded it to pf. She is allowed to redistribute it from her site, not pf.

One of the rules, written on the texture, is that a password or membership is not be needed to download the texture or modifications of the texture.
When the texture is uploaded here, a membership including a password is needed to download the texture.

I think it is a great modification and a legal modification that she has uploaded, but it is against Stale's rules to have it in our downloads. It is ok by his rules to have it on her own site.

Why simply not tell her the thruth? it is not allowed to be here by stale's rules. It was kind of her to upload it here, when the download at her site was not working. But according to stale's rules it can not stay here.


I think that pangor took the correct action when he stopped the download. It is allways better to be safe then sorry.
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Generally speaking (not talking about plus3d now)  if someone was redistributing something that was mine without my knowledge or consent, i would have liked the site staff to step up to the plate and stop the download and ask me, if they suspected that all might not be right. The person redistributing can lie about having permission or it could be an innocent reason like not knowing better.

If i were the person that uploaded something, and i was told that the staff of the site were unsure of my right to distribute it, i would not be offended. Why would i be? The site would be protecting it self and the original creator. And if i am the original creator or if i have the creator's permission, they would be protecting me. If i have permission and they check with the creator, it would be known that i was telling the truth and the download could be put back on.

The staff could explain the reasons for their actions and there would be no need to be offended. The choice to check something just to be sure, it is not a personal attack on someone, it is not being mean. It is being careful and protecting everyone involved, including the person uploading it.

Thank you very much pangor and Thilda, I hadn't noticed the "password" thing   . I'll wait for the reply of stahlratte, but because I know that he doesn't like our site very much I doubt that he'll say "yes"  

However I'll put the link to plus3d files in our forum  

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Thilda said: If i were the person that uploaded something, and i was told that the staff of the site were unsure of my right to distribute it, i would not be offended. Why would i be?


I agree but I wasn't sure anyone made contact with the person in question.
Also, I think it was us who asked them to post the download to the site if I am correct on that.
So without thinking and a kind heart they came here to download it. I seen the person yesterday as I was looking threw the site.
But yes Thilda you are right.  

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Two wrongs don't make a right.
But six left turns will get you around the block
and back in the driveway again.

I'll post to plus3d explaining her what happens in the best and gentle mode that i can  

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yes kenny you are right, we asked her. So really there is less reason for her to be upset, we because we were the ones who did wrong and not her. And taking it down is protecting her.


Tell her that it was kind of her to upload the texture to pf. But that we missed the rule on the texture. and that because of that rule, we need to remove it. Tell her that it was our misstake and not hers. Tell her about the membership and password that stale is against. Tell her that it is ok to have the freebie on her site.
Tell her what u think of the texture, the modifications to the face are good - my personal opinion.

This is what I wrote:


From:      Tormentor
To:     plus3d
Date:     2007-07-03 08:36:50
Subject:     Some problems with your files at Posetteforever
 
Hi Irlinda, there is a discussion about the textures that you've uploaded at Posetteforever, I tell you what's about:
Your textures are based on Staale work and he says on the texture that as long as the name of the original creator is written on the texture and the name of who modified it is written on the texture it is ok to redistribute freely, so to this point we have no problems.

But one of the rules, written on the texture, is that a password or membership is not be needed to download the texture or modifications of the texture and the problem is that a password is needed to download freebies from Posetteforever

One of our administrator wrote to Staale asking for permission to share your modified works on Posetteforever, so till he replies we "suspended" your files, I hope only temporarily.

I know a little staale (he calls himself  Stahlratte on Posetteforever) and I don't think that he'll say "yes share them", but this is not a very big problem, even if we can't have them on our freebie list, I'll add your site containing your Posette textures on our links list of the Posette database of our forum, with the thumbnails

I'm very sad about it because i would like to have your textures hosted on Posetteforever, but we have to keep an eye opened on copyrights in order to avoid problems. I hope you'll understand and however nothing is lost, maybe staale will give his permission...

Take care

Tormie

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Ok everyone. Just an update. You might want to go to Renderosity and check out the free download stuff. Under plus3d download stuff when you do a search it has "Ana for Posette" for download. But! The download has a diffirent download zip.
When you download it. The zip will say Ana for Posette_30165 . It will unzip. So now this gets a bit stranger.

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Two wrongs don't make a right.
But six left turns will get you around the block
and back in the driveway again.

It's not strange, I noticed it and it was also the first file uploaded at Posetteforever, then I asked her to correct the problem and she made another zip but maybe the link on her site has not been modified.

Plus I'm the one that asked her to upload her files to Posetteforever so the fault is mine   , she only posted a render with her texture on the Eveena thread on Rosity, helping me in the debate against pornguy dphoadley

http://www.Renderosity.com/mod/foru...read_id=2702261

So if someone is guilty of something it's me   I can confirm her good faith.

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What I meant was that I found the zip file and it was odd that they had diffirent zips and wasn't modified on her web site. But yes this is a great bunch to work with. It's know problem with what you did Davide. It's just your kind heart leaking threw.   Now who wants Pizza?

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Two wrongs don't make a right.
But six left turns will get you around the block
and back in the driveway again.

You mean that BIG Pizza left all alone on the kitchen's table   ?

It escaped using the back door  


(*BURP*)  

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I'm going for a little catnap, but I want to give you all a suggestion: in the past we went to a conclusion too fast and because of this we had a lot of troubles. What has been made unapproving the files was the right thing to do but before going to a conclusion it's better to discuss further action between us, this is the rieason why this staff forum exists: if you remember I made it exactly for cases like this one. In this case, knowing nothing about the "background" one could think that an unknown user registered at the site and uploaded copyrighted material but it's not what happened: I asked her to do it, I created the account myself because she was not able to do it and probably she doesn't know all the complicated rules Stahlratte wants in order to share his works...

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Some times you just can't keep a good Pizza around very long.

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Two wrongs don't make a right.
But six left turns will get you around the block
and back in the driveway again.

Actually unless she can't read english, she did know about stale's rules. They are written on the texture that she modified, and they are still written on the texture in her zipp. She followed the rest of the rules.
My guess she didn't remember it or think of it when asked to upload here.


slightly ot:

Link to stales morphs and textures.

 http://home.online.no/~kjellil/Index-AllStuff.htm