Can somebody tell me if the copyright rules are even real. I don't even remember when
Poser or anything came about where they started writing Read Me files to have a persons rights with
Poser things and I have been out here along time that I think I would remember this.
This is my own feelings and please don't look at this the wrong way, but when I do free things. They are free. That's it. No more no less. Just free.
Its like when you give someone something and it is for free, you don't know what kind of shape it is in over the years.
Yes they are real. And I have been with
Poser even longer and I have seen the
Poser community grow and then die utterly because of attitude like that you are now expressing. This is the third incarnation of the
Poser community and it has survived when the prior ones did not, because of its members taking ownership rights more seriously.
When you create something, it is yours, unless it was made as a work for hire, then it belongs to he who commissioned or employed you. Being yours, you own all rights to it, and no one has any at all. You can keep it private, or you can sell it or sell use of it. Or, you can share any par of it or all of it. Anyone who does not agree with the terms you create, can not use it at all. If they use the item contrary to any terms you have specified, they are thieves. Simple as that. This is nothing new. It has it roots in common law, and the UCC. It has been the law of the USA since the founding of the nation. It is now accepted by most of the world by international agreements.
You opinion is that of one who cares about his own desires and not of the need or desires of another. If you wish to create free items to share you are more than free to release them to the wind as real public domain (assuming the license of your resources permit it.) But always remember for copyrighted works (all items we deal with in this field are), he who shares is still the owner. He who receives the item has been given use of it by the owner.
This is like land. For example, say I own some park like land. For a holiday celibration, I open it for use as a place for picnics and such on that day. Permitting anyone to enter that day, I have not lost ownership of it. and no people can not use it as they see fit.
I am speaking here not from theory but as one who has dealt with these matters as a professional. As wall as one who has provided much of his works for use of others. Including in the very software that is making this discussion possible. and as one who has had much stolen from him as his only thanks for his efforts.
If you want this community of art to survive you really should check your thinking. Or at the least, if it spreads, PF will be known as a place to avoid. Or at worst theft of property right will grow to the point that this incarnation of the computer art will die out too.
Please don't anyone be mad. But it seems that I feel like I can't voice myself anymore.
This is a joke right? You can't voice yourself? You mean like how I have had to hold back, on any discussion involving personal opinions, I have had to avoid so that I there would be no exchanged for you to overreact to and again delete all your gallery images and run away? Even as you stomp on and disregard the feelings of those you call friend?
To some who havn't been made aware of it my life is not going very well lately and to see this saddens me.
And this is an excuse your behavior how?
Many of us have had bad times. If you have not noticed, I am currently since almost a year ago been going through a very bad time. There were some before that last year too. and the worst of it was in January of this year. I am still fighting to survive. Others here have had their bad times this year and last too.
You are not the only one with bad time, but so far as I can see the only one who has time and a again used it as an excuse. I have not pointed this out before, for fear of your over reaction. If you have not noticed, also, that I am not the only one who has been made uncomfortable to speak for fear of your next over reaction.
- We asked permission to Staale or Sthalratte and we're waiting for his reply. If I understood well he has not replied yet (and I think he'll never reply)
Correct, no reply thus far, I have set a date for when I will assume silence will be his agreement to follow the terms of this license as included with the texture maps.
So I'm simply asking if a redirect to plus3d homepage is legal or not...
yes, just as it is done at Rendo. That is what the seconday links clause provides for.
I'm talking stricly "legal", I'm not interested in the feeling of Staale of Stahlratte, as far as I know in this way we can't be accused of anything. We don't need any approval from him.
To do as I have outlined, true.
I talked to plus3d and she doesn't look offended . For waht concerns stahlratte, the conditions to share the file are clearly written in the texture itself and there is no "all sites except posetteforever" so we don't have to care for his permission
He is the owner of his work, and though there is not PF exclusion in the wording of the license, he does have the right to refuse to have anything of them here, even a link to where to find them, if he so choses.
You will recall the mess at 3DT last year, I had no except at 3DT clause in my licenses and you expressed the same opinion as me about my works there. As the courtesy I have extended the same to staale. You were right back then, please do not look for less right way this time because it is Staale's works in question.
NOt related to this issue, i have been looking through part of the freestuff. We need to remove the un-posette morph. In the discription at the download page it says that it is not her creation. That she has mixed morphs she has found around the net. It seems that she doesn't know who the creators of the morphs she used are.
I had not taken notice of that morph before. Yes, the copyright status of it is worse than questionable. I have disabled it. Until its final status and fate is determined.
Re: Copyright violations in our downloads section
Thats what I think. But I do care for everyones feelings. I don't want fighting and I care for everyone here to much to have that. So with all being said the link is fine as far as I am concerned. Others may have a better idea which again is fine with me. 
I'm not taking part of anyone but it's more than obvious that this last post will cause another big earthquake in our little site. We're already few, now we are less. I asked to pangor to consider editing this post and I closed the site waiting for him to do it, his reply was to refuse to talk to me on MSN and Yahoo messenger. I'm sorry but this kind of anger and behaviour is not of an administrator of a site like our, we're intended to be friends and the main task, mine and of pangor as administrators is to fix things , also between users. I'm not better than anyone else but at my age I want some peace at least at home and I consider this place home and you my closer friends. The matter of this topic is very stupid, at last one more or one less texture doesn't worth all this discussion. I sweated a lot in the past and also in these days to fix things between the users, some time I had success, some time i failed. With pangor I failed. I'm going to send him a message that will be simple:
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